"Rupert" > wrote in message
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> rick wrote:
>> Dutch, ruperts message didn't show up on my server, so I'll
>> piggy-back on yours...
>>
>> "Dutch" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Rupert" > wrote
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dutch wrote:
>> >>> > wrote
>> >>>
>> >>> [..]
>> >>>
>> >>> > I think you'll find "factory-farming" usually refers to
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > intensive
>> >>> > rearing of animals. Have you got a justification for
>> >>> > calling
>> >>> > mono-culture crop production "factory-farming"?
>> >>>
>> >>> Don't like people turning your pet pjoratives back on you
>> >>> eh?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Well, "factory-farming" is a simple descriptive term.
>> ========================
>> Yes, it is, and as I explained, far more descriptive of crop
>> farming....
>>
>
> Well, I wasn't very convinced by what you said.
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Only because you're brainwashing has your mind closed. Try to
reute what you have been told, don't just say nah, nah, nah,
killer.


>
>>
>> >
>> > It carries much more baggage than that.
>> >
>> >> It doesn't matter
>> >> very much what it actually refers to, I was just surprised
>> >> that he
>> >> thought this was a correct application of the word.
>> ==================
>> It's very correct, unless of course you have an agenda to
>> promote
>> that doesn't have anything to do with reality, eh killer?
>>
>
> Well, feel free to support your case.
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LOL I already did, fool. You have yet to support your
contentions. vegans never do, and never will, because all you
have is a simple rule for your simple minds....


>
>>
>> >
>> > I realize that, because you don't fancy yourself as
>> > supporting
>> > "factory farming".
>> >
>> > Vegans typically have idealized views of themselves.
>> >
>> >> Anyway, I intended (correctly or otherwise) to use the word
>> >> to
>> >> refer to
>> >> intensive rearing of animals. Furthermore this clearly
>> >> involves a lot
>> >> more suffering than what he was referring to.
>> ===========================
>> LOL More suffering that slicing, dicing, shredding and having
>> your guts rotted out?
>
> Yes.
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Show it then, fool.


>
>> You must be totally brainwashed, eh fool?
>> Do some meat animals 'suffer?' I'm sure that some probably
>> do,
>> according to your definition. But they are not "ALL" meat
>> animals, fool.
>
> Just the great majority of them.
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Then why the complete ban on all meats, killer? Your veggies
kill far more animals than the meats I eat.


>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Does it? How do you know? How much animal death and
>> > suffering
>> > results from cultivation, planting, spraying, harvesting,
>> > storage protection, etc, etc..
>> >
>> >>> > Anyway, it's all very well to abuse me for supporting
>> >>> > these
>> >>> > practices,
>> >>> > but you don't offer any serious alternative to doing so.
>> >>> > If
>> >>> > you had a
>> >>> > serious proposal for my further reducing the
>> >>> > contribution I
>> >>> > make to
>> >>> > animal suffering then I would consider it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Stop supporting commercial agriculture, it kills countless
>> >>> billions
>> >>> of animals. Anyway, it's you who proposed that killing
>> >>> animals is
>> >>> to be avoided, why should we now determine for you how you
>> >>> are going to live up to it? Do your own homework.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sorry, can you quote me as saying that buying products
>> >> whose
>> >> production involved the death of animals is absolutely
>> >> prohibited? I
>> >> don't think you can.
>> ==================
>> Then why the ignorant prohibition on buying meat? Obviouly
>> it
>> really has NOTHING to do with animal death and suffering,
>> then,
>> eh killer?
>>
>
> I believe that the most practical way to minimize one's
> contribution to
> animal suffering is to be vegan.
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A contention that you have never proen, or even tried to support
with any data.


Perhaps there are also some ways of
> doing this that involve buying some meat. I'm interested to
> hear any
> evidence you have about this matter.
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No you aren't. You'e a closed-minded fool that makes claims that
you cannot support.


>
>>
>> >
>> > I see, so it's fine to cause death and suffering of animals
>> > when it fits conveniently into your chosen lifestyle but not
>> > when it fits into mine.
>> >
>> >> What I do think is that we should make every
>> >> reasonable effort to minimize our contribution to the
>> >> suffering of
>> >> animals.
>> ====================
>> Then why are you posting to usenet, killer?
>>
>
> It's not clear to me that posting to usenet contributes to the
> suffering of animals.
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O course it isn't clear to you, killer. Anything that
contradicts your fantasy is just ignored. So much or all that
research you did on your lifestylr choices and animal death and
suffering fool. Ty looking up power poduction and communications
as a start, killer.


>
>>
>> And I have done my homework on that, I believe that the best
>> >> way to do it is to become vegan.
>> ==============================
>> ROTFLMAO You've done zero homework fool. Propaganda doesn't
>> mean anything. Tell use how many animals died for your diet
>> prior to your conversion, and how many now die after your
>> conversion.
>>
>
> There was some discussion of this issue in the article I linked
> to.
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No fool, YOU claimed that the best way was to be vegan, because
YOU researched it! It's quite obvious that that was a ly. You
have researched nothing! You read a few propaganda sites and
declare yourself vituous... What a hoot!


>
>>
>> If you've got some suggestions for how
>> >> I can do better I'm happy to listen to them.
>> ====================
>> You've been given them, killer.
>
> This is simply a lie. Stop evading the question and answer it.
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No it is not a ly, fool. You claimed to have done the research,
and it's now benn proven that you lied. If yu had, you would
easily find what we ae talking about.


>
>> And if you HAD done your
>> homework, which you just exposed as a ly, you would know that
>> thee are alternatives.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > A typical vegan could reduce the net amount of animal death
>> > and
>> > suffering associated with his or her diet by the
>> > introduction
>> > of some carefully selected meat, fish or game, a person who
>> > supplements their diet by hunting or fishing for example.
>> > Also
>> > a person who also grows much of their own food *and*
>> > consumes
>> > meat probably does much better than that typical urban
>> > vegan.
>> >
>> > Don't misunderstand, I am not suggesting you do these
>> > things, I
>> > am just asking you to acknowledge that they are viable
>> > choices.
>> >
>> >> I'm not altogether convinced that the suggestion "stop
>> >> supporting
>> >> commerical agriculture" is entirely feasible for me. If
>> >> you've
>> >> got some
>> >> ideas as to how I can do it I'm happy to listen to those,
>> >> as
>> >> well.
>> ====================
>> LOL You mean anything that won't be an inconvenience or
>> violate
>> your simple rule for your simple mind, right killer?
>>
>
> No.
> ================
Yes, obviously. Because of everything in your life that causes
massive animal death and suffering, all YOU cry about is those
that eat meat. Something YOU have no control over. You focus on
what others are doing because it is far easier than actually
doing anything in YOUR life to make a real difference.


>>
>> >
>> > Of course "feasible" is something you define for yourself. I
>> > would like you to show me the respect to allow me to do the
>> > same for myself.
>> >
>