> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> rick wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >i am referring to rick and Dutch here. Their by the book
>> >attacks
>> >and
>> > hollow ruminations seem at best spineless, pointless and
>> > soft.
>> =====================
>> Really? Then refute anything we've said, killer. If you
>> want
>> by-the-book recitations then the web-site posted isthe perfect
>> example, fool. It's a mish-mash of lys told over and over by
>> the
>> wannabe vegan brain-dead.
>>
>
> Alright then here is your rather silly refutation.
===============
Still waiting....


You seem to keep
> bringing up a rather pointless idea, namely that certain
> animals
> "might" get killed or displaced due to current farming
> practices. This
> may or may not be true, and you don't cite numbers, and for
> good
> reason.
====================
Really? Guess you're too stupid too to know how to use your
computer to view/search past posts, eh hypocrite?

Here, this will keep you lips moving for awhile, killer...
Not all have to do with crops, but since veganism is not a diet,
the rest apply too, if you really care about animals....


Animals die.
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm
http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm
http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm
http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm
http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html
http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html
http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html
http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf
http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml
http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c
http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html
http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm
http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm
http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml
http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5
http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html
http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf
http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm
http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm
http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html
http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm
http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf




Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either,
here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton.
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm

To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field,
here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there
can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field.
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs
/natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf
http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html


To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and
maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple
dealing with power and communications.
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html


>
> Even though some of these animal deaths might truly be
> avoidable, it is
> not the same as eating the flesh of an animal killed only to
> satisfy
> some urgent need to eat meat.
=======================
So? How is purposely killing animals to keep your veggies clean,
cheap and convenient, and leaving them to rot, better?



>
> You are trying to paint the act of eating brown rice, other
> grains and
> soy products as morbid and cavalier exercises in dietary
> excess.
======================
Yes, as far as unnecessay animals deaths are concerned. But
then, like all usenet wannabe vegans you have proven that animals
really mean nothing to you.


>
> You couldn't be more wrong.
===============
Nope. I completely right. You are either totally ignorant of
where your food comes from, or delusional.


>
> Simply stated - i'll pass. You don't seem to have the
> intellectual
> faculties to follow a simple argument, or parse a simple
> sentence. And
> if your dull attacks are any indication your derived and
> irrelevant
> constructions are wholly pointless and spineless, and they are,
> then
> there isn't much to refute.
=================
Try again liitle one. As usual, when the vegan has to prove his
stupidity, then turn and run. Thanks for proving that point yet
again, killer.


>