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"Derek" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:40 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>"Derek" > wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:59:27 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>>>"Derek" > wrote in message
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>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:29:09 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>>>>>"Derek" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:5g2tv01o1onddumb6e948qtglhad5jabir@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:32:28 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>"Derek" > wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm responsible for what I ask for: the death of crops to
>>>>>>>>> eat. You are responsible for what you ask for: the death
>>>>>>>>> of animals to eat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If I ask for the death of animals *and* I am aware that
>>>>>>>>abuse of animals takes place, I become complicit in the
>>>>>>>>deaths *and* the abuse, even though I did not ask for
>>>>>>>>the abuse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That doesn't make sense. You start off by asking
>>>>>>> for the death and abuse of animals, and finish by
>>>>>>> stating you didn't ask for any abuse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where are you seeing that? I *never* asked for the abuse,
>>>>>>and didn't say I did.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you wrote, "If I ask for the death of animals *and*
>>>>> I am aware that abuse of animals takes place..." you are
>>>>> in deed asking for abuse to take place.
>>>>
>>>>I don't get your reasoning. I am NOT asking for abuse,
>>>
>>> Again, when writing, "If I ask for the death of animals *and*
>>> I am aware that abuse of animals takes place..." you are
>>> in deed asking for abuse to take place.

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>>By that reasoning if you ask for vegetables when you are aware that cds
>>take
>>place that means you are asking for cds to take place.

>
> That sentence presupposes collateral deaths are associated
> with every item I might buy when it simply isn't the case.


Your reply to me presupposes that abuse takes place with every cut of meat I
buy when it simply isn't the case.

> For example, I don't presuppose that a police driver has killed
> pedestrians on his way to answer my call, just because police
> drivers are known to sometimes kill pedestrians. If he does,
> then that doesn't mean to say that I asked him to kill any
> pedestrians.