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In article .com>,
"Rudy Canoza" > wrote:

> Ron AGAIN chose against adult engagement and wrote:
> > In article .com>,
> > "Rudy Canoza" > wrote:
> >
> > > Ron wrote:
> > > > In article >, "Dutch"
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Ron" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > In article
> > > .com>,
> > > > > > "Rudy Canoza" > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Ron wrote:
> > > > > >> > In article >,
> > > > > >> > Derek > wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:51:02 -0500, Ron >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > >In article

> >,
> > > > > >> > > > Derek > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:27:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza
> > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >> >Scented Nectar wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > >> >> Then forced complicity
> > > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > >> >There is no such thing.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >> Forced complicity exists, and if I were to threaten
> > > > > >> > > >> you and your family with death by starvation, you'd
> > > > > >> > > >> be forced to comply with the truth of this sentence.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >We disagree, Derek. The choice to comply is still a

> choice.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Then, if I were to bend your arm up your back in
> > > > > >> > > a half Nelson, you would have the choice not to
> > > > > >> > > comply and stand with your arm up your back? A
> > > > > >> > > person can be forced to comply with brute force
> > > > > >> > > and coercion if applied firmly enough.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Logical fallacy of a false dilemma.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> No, not a fallacy; not a dilemma at all.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> A dilemma is NOT simply an unpleasant choice, or a choice

> that
> > > you feel
> > > > > >> is unfairly constrained to a limited number of options. A
> > > dilemma is a
> > > > > >> choice between two PROPOSITIONS that are purported to be
> > > exhaustive of
> > > > > >> the truth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The truth is that there are more options than chili or

> spaghetti
> > > --
> > > > > > skipping the meat and eating later, or skipping the meal and
> > > eating
> > > > > > earlier.
> > > > >
> > > > > And many others, but there is no dilemma, just an either/or

> choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> You continually misidentify dilemmas, and all your claims of
> > > "false
> > > > > >> dilemma", every single one so far, have been wrong, because

> you
> > > have
> > > > > >> not identified logical dilemmas at all.
> > > >
> > > > Dutch, you only look more foolish by persisting.
> > >
> > > No, Ron - that would be you who demonstrates your foolishness by
> > > persisting. A choice is not inherently a dilemma. You are wrong

> to
> > > keep insisting that it is.

> >
> > Limiting choices always creates a dilemma.

> No, Ron. That is a misuse of the word dilemma.


Please explain a dilemma.