Ron AGAIN chose against adult engagement and wrote:
> In article .com>,
> "Rudy Canoza" > wrote:
>
> > Ron wrote:
> > > In article >, "Dutch"
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Ron" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > In article
> > .com>,
> > > > > "Rudy Canoza" > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Ron wrote:
> > > > >> > In article >,
> > > > >> > Derek > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:51:02 -0500, Ron >
> > wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > >In article
>,
> > > > >> > > > Derek > wrote:
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:27:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >Scented Nectar wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> Then forced complicity
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >There is no such thing.
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> Forced complicity exists, and if I were to threaten
> > > > >> > > >> you and your family with death by starvation, you'd
> > > > >> > > >> be forced to comply with the truth of this sentence.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >We disagree, Derek. The choice to comply is still a
choice.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Then, if I were to bend your arm up your back in
> > > > >> > > a half Nelson, you would have the choice not to
> > > > >> > > comply and stand with your arm up your back? A
> > > > >> > > person can be forced to comply with brute force
> > > > >> > > and coercion if applied firmly enough.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Logical fallacy of a false dilemma.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> No, not a fallacy; not a dilemma at all.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A dilemma is NOT simply an unpleasant choice, or a choice
that
> > you feel
> > > > >> is unfairly constrained to a limited number of options. A
> > dilemma is a
> > > > >> choice between two PROPOSITIONS that are purported to be
> > exhaustive of
> > > > >> the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > The truth is that there are more options than chili or
spaghetti
> > --
> > > > > skipping the meat and eating later, or skipping the meal and
> > eating
> > > > > earlier.
> > > >
> > > > And many others, but there is no dilemma, just an either/or
choice.
> > > >
> > > > >> You continually misidentify dilemmas, and all your claims of
> > "false
> > > > >> dilemma", every single one so far, have been wrong, because
you
> > have
> > > > >> not identified logical dilemmas at all.
> > >
> > > Dutch, you only look more foolish by persisting.
> >
> > No, Ron - that would be you who demonstrates your foolishness by
> > persisting. A choice is not inherently a dilemma. You are wrong
to
> > keep insisting that it is.
>
> Limiting choices always creates a dilemma.
No, Ron. That is a misuse of the word dilemma.