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In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article .com>,
> > "Rudy Canoza" > wrote:
> >
> >> Ron wrote:
> >> > In article >,
> >> > Derek > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:51:02 -0500, Ron > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >In article >,
> >> > > > Derek > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:27:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza >
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >> >Scented Nectar wrote:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >> Then forced complicity
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >There is no such thing.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Forced complicity exists, and if I were to threaten
> >> > > >> you and your family with death by starvation, you'd
> >> > > >> be forced to comply with the truth of this sentence.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >We disagree, Derek. The choice to comply is still a choice.
> >> > >
> >> > > Then, if I were to bend your arm up your back in
> >> > > a half Nelson, you would have the choice not to
> >> > > comply and stand with your arm up your back? A
> >> > > person can be forced to comply with brute force
> >> > > and coercion if applied firmly enough.
> >> >
> >> > Logical fallacy of a false dilemma.
> >>
> >> No, not a fallacy; not a dilemma at all.
> >>
> >> A dilemma is NOT simply an unpleasant choice, or a choice that you feel
> >> is unfairly constrained to a limited number of options. A dilemma is a
> >> choice between two PROPOSITIONS that are purported to be exhaustive of
> >> the truth.

> >
> > The truth is that there are more options than chili or spaghetti --
> > skipping the meat and eating later, or skipping the meal and eating
> > earlier.

>
> And many others, but there is no dilemma, just an either/or choice.
>
> >> You continually misidentify dilemmas, and all your claims of "false
> >> dilemma", every single one so far, have been wrong, because you have
> >> not identified logical dilemmas at all.


Dutch, you only look more foolish by persisting.

Please illustrate in any meaningful way how the three examples are
different

I can choose chocolate cake or rice pudding (You limit my choices)
I can choose to be with you or against you (bush limits my choices)
I can choose chili or spaghetti (rudy limits my choices)

Contrary to the example of the chocolate cake where -- not choosing
chocolate cake would make one an idiot, bush's comments don't presume
anything other than what is stated.

Bush didn't state if you don't choose against terrorism then you are....