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Derek
 
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:51:02 -0500, Ron > wrote:

>In article >,
> Derek > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:27:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>> >Scented Nectar wrote:
>> >
>> >> Then forced complicity
>> >
>> >There is no such thing.

>>
>> Forced complicity exists, and if I were to threaten
>> you and your family with death by starvation, you'd
>> be forced to comply with the truth of this sentence.

>
>We disagree, Derek. The choice to comply is still a choice.


Then, if I were to bend your arm up your back in
a half Nelson, you would have the choice not to
comply and stand with your arm up your back? A
person can be forced to comply with brute force
and coercion if applied firmly enough.


It is choice
>that would certainly have a negative or unwanted consequence, but the
>choice still remains. Unfortunately, our culture allows the individual
>to get caught up in the "he made me do it" mentality. It is this
>mentality that allows people to be manipulated. it is a remnant from
>religion to inspire guilt and control.