On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:09:14 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>Derek wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:52:18 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:09:08 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Matheny has another article: Expected Utility,
>>>>>Contributory Causation, and Vegetarianism. It's in the
>>>>>Journal of Applied Philosophy, and is available in PDF
>>>>>at http://www.veganoutreach.org/spam/thresholds.pdf
>>>>>(requires the Adobe Acrobat reader).
>>>>>
>>>>>The task he has set himself is to take apart the
>>>>>occasionally encountered omnivore's argument that a) he
>>>>>doesn't personally kill the animals he eats, and b) his
>>>>>meat consumption doesn't bring about the whole meat
>>>>>industry, so "he" cannot be held accountable. Matheny
>>>>>attempts to show that all meat eaters together are in
>>>>>fact accountable for all the deaths of animals they
>>>>>eat, based on expected utility considerations.
>>>>>
>>>>>His analysis is fair enough, and I don't have a problem
>>>>>with it as far as it goes. What is curious, however,
>>>>>is that it also links vegetarians to the collateral
>>>>>deaths caused by the production of the crops they eat.
>>>>
>>>>No, it does not.
>>>
>>>Yes, it does.
>>
>> Ipse dixit and false. Show where Matheny's article links
>> vegetarianism to the collateral deaths associated in crop
>> production, and after you've done that show where his
>> article concludes that the vegetarian is responsible for
>> them.
>
>His article doesn't explicitly do that.

Exactly! You imagined it did and then asserted it.

>Based on my extension of his mechanism, *I* did it.

Then you cannot lie by claiming "it (Matheny's article)
also links vegetarians to the collateral deaths caused
by the production of the crops they eat." What you
should have written was that YOUR extension of it
makes that link rather than the article itself. You lied
again, Jon, and every time you do it you dump whatever
argument you're carrying down the toilet.

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>> Matheny doesn't show that such a mechanism
>> links vegetarians to the collateral deaths caused by
>> farmers in crop production.
>
>It doesn't matter.

It does if you want your lie to be believed, you stupid
fool.

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