that is all anecdotal hokum Madelyn

John

"Madelyn Arnold" > wrote in message
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> Mr. Gorilla mentioned on 12/30:
> >... I go back to
> > the lacto-vegetarian diet, and I'm OK. I guess I must have "Mahatma
Gandhi
> > Syndrome" or something, since he ran into the same problem. Except he
went
> > much longer and nearly died, and could only return to health by taking
> > (goat's) milk. Some people seem to do OK on the vegan diet somehow,
> though,
> > and I certainly respect them for that. I wish I could.
> >
>
> We omnivores contain the enzyme systems for utilizing just about anything
> that doesn't utilize us first. But it isn't all culture-and-upbringing
> after that. It's been my experience that a proportion of adult men lose
> flesh and begin to fail unless they can regularly get complex proteins
in
> compact forms -- such as those deriving from other animals. No, I do
> *not* mean all men, and I cannot say whether how these men were
> (nutritionally) reared makes the difference (perhaps a large-framed man
> reared vegan is less likely to have trouble.) But by 'fail', I mean have
> difficulty increasing muscle, and show immune stress (colds, infections,
> etc). This may be true for some women; I simply haven't seen that
myself.
>
> In aboriginal societies one often finds it's adult males that eat meat
most
> often, or even at all. To all the reasons advanced for this, we could
add
> that it might have been observed that it's harder on certain men NOT to
eat
> the high/complex protein meat, fish, insects. Many societies include
fish
> in their diets and hold that it is somehow less terrible to cause fish to
> die rather than "higher" animals. Maybe a more interesting question would
> be why so few modernizing societies continue eating insects. I mean,
> intentionally. Insect meal is extremely high quality protein in high
> concentration.
>
> [Note that there is no cruelty inherent in drinking milk, even cow's
milk.
> Had we not intentionally bred cattle producing obscene quantities of
milk
> over an unnatural length of time, there would be more room for argument;
> but the deed is done. The cattle are here, and are now symbiotic with
> humans. What should we do with what we have created? Only try to
imagine
> a Jersey milker trying to outrun wolves. Or a pack of determined
> squirrels.]
>
> For those who find that after more than 3 months of a vegan diet they are
> feeling damned poorly, I suggest they look closely at altering the
balance
> of highest-quality protein in their diets. That is: after trying to
flow
> into a vegan diet in a natural manner, start studying. Study the
> composition of foods, particularly FISH, and try to intentionally eat in a
> manner that comes close to providing the same amino acids in the same
> concentration. I have genuine reverence for those who are trying to tred
> lightly while living in this world. I think that sincere vegans whose
> bodies will not cooperate aren't necessarily up the creek... And with
> gene-splicing among yeast and bacteria available to us, we will soon be
> able to remedy any conceivable nutritional difficulties. Like, watch
this
> space.
>
>
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