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J.C. Scott
 
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usual suspect wrote:
> J.C. Scott wrote:
> >>>I don't eat any animal products at all, and it's strictly for
> >>>health reasons. In my own case, it has nothing to do with

compassion for
> >>>animals. In fact, I love hamburgers and chicken, among many other
> >>>types of animal products, but due to the associated ill effects of
> >>such consumption, I abstain.
> >>
> >>What "ill effects"?

> >
> > http://www.drgreger.org/talks.html

>
> The whole list or individual ones?
>
> - Cancer: The studies most often cited deal with multiple issues, not


> merely meat consumption. Some misuse the data to suggest that ALL

meat
> should be avoided, when the correlations have a lot more to do with

the
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Yes, I mean we've all heard the stories in the news of those who
consume way too many fruits and vegetables to the detriment of their
health and develop cancer, raise their cholesterol, develop heart
disease or die prematurely as a result. I mean, who hasn't? Of
course, unlike eating fruits and vegetables, none of those are
associated with meat consumption. What a crazy scare tactic that would
be to suggest that there are potential health risks associated with
eating meat. Nevermind that the meat industry is a multibillion dollar
a year industry, they have your best interest at heart, after all.
Why, if that multibillion dollar a year industry found out that
consuming meat wasn't so hot for your health, you can bet your bottom
dollar the studies they pay for would certainly reflect that, wouldn't
they? Nevermind these additional facts from Northern Illinois
University:

Risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50%
Risk of death from heart attack by average American vegetarian man: 15%

Risk of death from heart attack by average American purely vegetarian
man: 4%

A) Meat, dairy and egg industries claim there is no reason to be
concerned about your blood cholesterol as long as it is: "normal"

B) Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is "normal": over 50%

C) Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if you do
not consume saturated fat and cholesterol: 5%

Leading sources of saturated fat and cholesterol in American diets:
Meat, dairy products and eggs
Hollywood celebrity paid by Meat Board to tout beef as "Real food for
real people": James Garner
Medical event experienced by James Garner in April, 1988: Quintuple
coronary artery bypass surgery

The Meat Board tells us: "Today's meats are low in fat."
The Meat Board shows us: A serving of beef they claim has "only 300
calories".
The Meat Board doesn't tell us: The serving of beef they show us is
only 3 onces (half the size of an average serving of beef) and has been
surgically defatted with a scalpel.

The meat, dairy and egg industries tell us: Animal products constitute
2 of the "Basic 4" food groups.
The meat, dairy and egg industries don't tell us: There were originally
12 official basic food groups, before these industries applied enormous
political pressure on behalf of their products.

The meat, dairy, and egg industries tell us: We are well-fed only with
animal products.
The meat, dairy, and egg industries don't tell us: The diseases which
are commonly prevented, consistently improved, and sometimes cured by a
low-fat vegetarian diet include: Strokes, Heart Disease, Osteoporosis,
Kidney Stones, Breast Cancer, Colon Cancer , Prostate Cancer,
Pancreatic Cancer, Ovarian Cancer, Cervical Cancer, Stomach Cancer,
Endometrial Cancer, Diabetes, Hypoglycemia, Kidney Disease, Peptic
Ulcers, Constipation, Hemorrhoids, Hiatal Hernias, Diverticulosis,
Obesity, Gallstones, Hypertension, Asthma, Irritable Colon Syndrome,
Salmonellosis, Trichinosis,

The list goes on and on -- http://www.sa.niu.edu/veg/info.htm


> There's also no evidence whatsoever that CWD affects humans. Not all
> TSEs cross species. Scrapie, the oldest known TSE, affects sheep but

it
> doesn't affect humans who eat them.


You're right, there's none, except this:

Broadband: http://www.drgreger.org/talks/madCow/mcVideoDSL.ram
Dial-up: http://www.drgreger.org/talks/madCow/mcVideoDial.ram


> Etc. All I see on that site is a bunch of scaremongering and
> solicitations to listen to his recordings for $10.


Yeah, I know. It's all scaremongering and all his talks cost money,
especially these free ones:

http://www.drgreger.org/talks/


> >>>A person could label me vegetarian but that's
> >>>too lax a term, in my opinion, because plenty of vegetarians
> >>>continue to eat eggs and cheese, which I don't. My diet is

extremely rigid.
> >>
> >>So is your sense of semantics. Why do you insist on using *any*
> >>labels if animal rights isn't a personal concern?

> >
> > The dictionary definition of 'vegetarianism' or 'vegan' fails to
> > mention animal rights, therefore your question is irrelevant.

>
> Veganism is a ******* offspring of animal rights:
> In late 1944, The Vegan Society was established, advocating a
> totally plant-based diet excluding flesh, fish, fowl, eggs,
> honey, and animals' milk, butter, and cheese, and also
> encouraging the manufacture and use of alternatives to animal
> commodities, including clothing and shoes. The group argued that
> the elimination of exploitation of any kind was necessary in
> order to bring about a more reasonable and humane society. FROM
> ITS INCEPTION, VEGANISM WAS DEFINED AS A "PHILOSOPHY" AND "WAY
> OF LIVING." IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE MERELY A DIET AND, STILL
> TODAY, DESCRIBES A LIFESTYLE AND BELIEF SYSTEM THAT REVOLVES
> AROUND A REVERENCE FOR LIFE.
> http://www.vegsource.com/jo/veganliving.htm
>
> It's not about food at all.


It's obvious the dictionary reflects a much more open ended definition
and that definitions change over time:

Evolving definitions change over time, often reflecting changes in
social values, community standards, government policies, or scientific
research. Child abuse now describes behavior such as corporal
punishment that was once accepted as routine discipline by parents and
teachers. Mental retardation reflects a more compassionate and
understanding view of people once defined as feeble minded.

http://www.kahnwithak.com/essay_writing-definition.htm


> >>>Ifthe debate is strictly over whether the term "dietary vegan" is
> >>>valid, well, it's just trivial semantics, as far as I'm concerned

anyway.
> >>
> >>Then why do you consider "vegetarian" too lax a description of your
> >>diet?

> >
> > ... because I'm open to debate it just for the sake of discussion,

but
> > when it's all said and done it's really a nonevent, in my opinion.

>
> IOW, you had nothing better to do today than jump into a discussion

and
> show that you're susceptible to some charlatan's scaremongering but

not
> to calling things what they really are?


Actually, you got the first part right. The rest is a strawman
accusation.