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"rick etter" > wrote in message .net>...
> "BlueHeron" > wrote in message
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> >
> > rick etter wrote:
> >
> > > "BlueHeron" > wrote in message
> > > .. .
> > >
> > >>
> > >>rick etter wrote:

> <snip>
> > >>
> > >>The one thing that you seem to keep forgetting Rick, is that language,
> > >>especially the English langauge, changes.
> > >>======================
> > >
> > > Not and have any real meaning...

> >
> > Not true, becasue the /meaning/ of the word changes for everyone.
> >
> > A "hack" is no longer primarily someone who rides around aimlessly on a
> > horse, nor is it a prostitute. To some degree it is a poorly written
> > piece of work that gets the job done, and mostly it is a quick and dirty
> > piece of programming code. Yet, at one time, it had completely
> > different meaning.
> >
> > A "geek" is no longer primarly someone who will eat anything (especially
> > live animals).
> >
> > That is the nature of language.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Find a dictionary that puts ethics in to the word "vegan" and I will be
> > >>impressed. Most dictionaries give the dietary definition, and so that
> > >>is how many people us it.
> > >
> > > =================
> > > But, it is not a 'dietary' choice. It is, and alwasy will be a

> lifestylr
> > > choice. Except of course by those that want the word but are too lazy

> to
> > > actually live the lifestyle. You can change the definition all you want

> to
> > > fit your lazyness, but the real meaning is as it was coined in the 40s.

> >
> > Wrong. It has been, and currently is, a lifestyle choice. Will it
> > always be? I wouldn't presume to say, but I don't think so. There are
> > far too many people, at least here in Quebec, who adopt it for health
> > reasons, and don't care, or know, about the ethics behind it.

> =================
> Then they are not vegan, are they? There is already a perfectly good word
> that describes that diet, vegetarian.
>
>
>
>
> Sure,
> > "stict-vegetarian" would be a better label, but most of them use
> > "vegetalien" which directly translates to "vegan".

> ================
> And they are wrong and lazy.
>
>
> >
> > Language and culture has started to corrupt the principles behind it.

> ==============
> Not if your truely believe you are a vegan.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >>I am afraid that you might just have to learn to deal with that.
> > >
> > > ====================
> > > I have, that you make excuses for laziness is apparent...

> > <snip>
> >
> > Vegan, as an adjective, describes four main things:
> >
> > * People (who avoid all animal products)
> > * diets (exclusivly plant based)
> > * food (containing no animal products)
> > * products (containing no animal products)
> >
> > I can't think of anything else to which we apply the word, but it's
> > always possible that I have missed something.
> >
> > Now, as a noun, a vegan is a person who follows a vegan lifestyle.
> >
> > From the Memorandum of Association of the British Vegan Society
> > (http://www.vegansociety.com/html/abo...memorandum.php), it breaks
> > the definition down in to two parts. The first part describes the
> > philosophy and ethics behind it, and the second part describes the
> > dietary terms:
> >
> > "The word 'veganism' denotes a philosophy and way of living which
> > seeks to exclude ? as far as is possible and practical ? all forms of
> > exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other
> > purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of
> > animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, including humans
> > and the environment.

> ==============
> Why did you snip this from the post I made? Again, there is no emphsis on
> diet, is there? It's a lifestyle, just like I said...
>
> Here, I'll restore what you dishonestly snipped out....
>
> restore cuts>>>>>>
>
> "...When we understand the origin of the term and the guiding principles
> established by the founders of the vegan movement, we see that, although
> inspired by vegetarianism, vegan living encompasses far more than one's
> diet. In fact, to be a full member of the American Vegan Society, one must
> not only be vegan in diet but must also exclude animal products from one's
> clothing, cosmetics, toiletries, household goods and everyday commodities.
> Contrary to popular belief, people who eliminate all animal-based foods from
> their diet but who continue to wear non-vegan clothing or use non-vegan
> products are not vegan..."
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...q=watson+vegan
>
> "...Veganism is a way of living which excludes all forms of exploitation of,
> and cruelty to, the animal kingdom, and includes a reverence for life. It
> applies to the practice of living on the products of the plant kingdom to
> the exclusion of flesh, fish, fowl, eggs, honey, animal milk and its
> derivatives, and encourages the use of alternatives for all commodities
> derived wholly or in part from animals ..."
> http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm
>
> "...veganism is a "way of life," and "a philosophy." Neither emphasizes diet
> over other aspects of compassionate living, because in vegan practice no one
> area is more significant than another; all are expected to be implemented
> simultaneously..."
> http://www.vegsource.com/jo/essays/namegame.htm
>
>
>
> Now, you can pretend that dictionary versions are the 'truth', or you can
> admit that veganism is "not" a diet...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all
> > products derived wholly or partly from animals."
> >
> > So, when I say "I practive a vegan diet", I am specifiying in terms that
> > are easy for people to understand what it is that I eat.
> >
> > Considering that this is a newsgroup about the food, not the ethics, I
> > think that is pretty fair. What I do or do not do with the rest of it,
> > is frankly, non of your concern. But most of us are in a.f.v. for the
> > dietary aspect.

> =================
> It's about *vegan*. Try to keep up, and not be so lazy, killer.
>







Everyone listen to Etter!

He is the world authority on all things pertaining to veganism and ethics.

(he also buys cow udders)
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> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > -- Blue