"Todd" > wrote in message
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> On 12/06/2013 11:21 AM, W. Baker wrote:
>> : I never said any of that stuff. I don't know any high carb
>> : diabetics on this list. Who are you really arguing with?
>>
>> : -T
>>
>> You constantly preach very low carb , using th term carb poison, etc.
>
> "Preach" is a pejorative.
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pejorative?s=t
> having a disparaging, derogatory, or belittling effect
> or force
>
> I do not "preach" any more than you do. Don't be insulting.

Ha! You do and I called you on it right when you came here. Others stuck
up for you but now I see they are starting to have the same opinion of you
that I do! And I have never seen Wendy preach to anyone.
>
> And, this is a "Diabetic Food" group. Excess carbs "are"
> poisonous. They give you T2. So is too much water. And
> water is good for Diabetics. You are free to disagree as
> long as you are not disagreeable. Same rules apply to me.

Bullshit! Carbs do not give you anything. Especially not diabetes. I used
to have a dish of brightly colored candy on my coffee table. I no longer
have the coffee table or the candy. I like the candy because it was pretty.
And once in a while a guest would eat some. But I never did. I didn't even
like it. Just liked the way it looked when the sun shone through it. But a
person said to me that I got diabetes because of that dish of candy that I
always had. Sounds about as plausible as what you said!
>
>> Your constant mention of high carb diabetics on this list,
>
> Actually, now that I think about it, there are some. Maya (a T3c
> diabetic) is one. On the support group she elucidated on
> exactly how she does it. I am sure if you asked her to, I am
> sure she would repeat it for you.

Maya has other medical issues besides diabetes just like I do. There is no
one size fits all diet. You wouldn't have to follow her diet because you
don't have her other medical conditions. Just like you wouldn't follow a
diet for gastroparesis which is what I have. Why don't you tell all people
not to eat cilantro? Your wife can't eat it so why shouldn't it apply to
everyone else? Makes as much sense. Right?
>
> There are others too, but I forget their names. One guy, who
> some times visits here from the support group, wrote me
> all kinds of (industry sponsored no doubt) studies and
> his personal experience on how he does it.

So? If his diet works for him... Great!

> The one who asked how to cook rice would be another. The one who
> eats Oat Meal for breakfast would be another. Those that offset
> carbs with fiber "may" (watch the weasel word) also quality.

Again... So? If those foods work for them, great! Why should it bother
you? And there is no weasel word there. You sure seem to like to add
cutesy names to things.
>
> Of the people who share cooking tips on this group, as far as
> I can tell, there are no high carb diabetics. You definitely are
> not. Both our diets are pretty similar, by the way.

They are? You keep kosher? Huh! That lasagna recipe that you posted
didn't sound kosher. Did you use Daiya cheese?
>
>> seems to imply
>> that those who disagree with your very low carb diet are such people.
>
> I am sorry Wendy, but you are dreaming that up.

I am getting really angry with these attacks on Wendy. Almost as angry as I
got many years ago on perhaps asd when some guy said some very nasty stuff
to another poster. This is all totally uncalled for. Wendy is one of the
nicest people here!
>
>> You
>> don't have to point a finger and name a person to , by replying in the
>> tome you use, look to be accusing those who do not follow your very low
>> carb, high fat diet are all hig carb diabetics who are kiooing
>> themselves.
>
> I am clear as to what I mean. Don't put words in my mouth. If you
> don't understand, just ask.

I think we all understand what you are saying and are getting really fed up
with it.
>
> Remember, I am an engineer. We reference what we write and WE NEVER
> PRESUME everyone know what we are talking about. That is why I
> explain a lot. If you understand what I mean, it does not mean that
> everyone else will. It is intended that you just skip over things
> I am explaining that your already know what I am talking about,
> unless you just like my prose.

You talk down to people and act like we are clueless. You also seem to
think you are pretty funny. I beg to differ. I am *not* one of the nicest
ones here and I'll tell you exactgly what I think from the git go. I did
that and you killfilled me. Hopefully someone will quote this so you'll see
it. I *would* killfile you except that I feel you are a danger to newbies
here.
>
> This is just the way engineers write. I am not trying to offend
> anyone; I am trying to INCLUDE everyone. Do you understand now?
> I am not calling anyone a "kook".

No it's not! I know a former engineer at the dance studio and my dad was an
engineer. Neither one write that way at all. Again, you are lumping all
people together like we're all the same. None of us are all the same!
>
> Here is a good rule in engineering writing. Always spell
> out your acronyms first and then show the acronym in parenthesis
> before using the acronym.
>
> Here is an bad example:
> According to the ADA ...
>
> Here is a good example:
> According to the Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) ..
>
> Didn't see that one coming, did you. ADA could also mean the
> American Dental Association. And no where is that meant to
> insult anyone. It is mean to INCLUDE everyone.

Again, you are talking down to us.

>> there are several wys to control T2 diabetes including moderation in carb
>> eating and ujudicious use of medication as well as very low carb. use of
>> these other methods does not make someone an ostriching hig carb eatign
>> diabetic, but you constatnly imply this. Watch the way you write things
>> adn think before you post.
>
> I have never said different. I have always been clear that
> do what works for you. We both share our opinions and experiences
> with others. That is a good thing on both our parts as long as
> we are not disagreeable doing it.

Not from what I've seen of what you write. It's do what I say or get
killfiled.
>
> Are you mistaking my statement that you should not abuse
> drugs to eats more carbs? I have seen first hand where that
> goes.

Ooooooh! My ire is raising again! And I am normally a pretty calm person.
I don't know where you live but I am glad it is not near me because I am
pretty certain I would never want our paths to cross. You are doing exacly
again what several people kindly asked you to stop.
>
> Who exactly are you fighting with?
>
> And it is okay to "preach to the choir". It is called
> "reinforcement". That's what friends do.
>
> -T

Actually it's a very good way to lose friends. I learned when I was a kid
that it is never a good idea to preach. Unless of course you are actually a
preacher but since I don't do religion...

My friends and I chit chat and when it comes to medical stuff and diet we
will pass on things we think might be of interest or in some cases ask one
person to investigate something. One of my friends has no Internet at home
but she does work in a pharmacy and has a really good book on drugs. But...
None of us would preach any more than we'd try to teach a pig to sing.