On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:55:36 -0700, Goo wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:54:49 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:12:42 -0700, Goo idiotically wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:45:46 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:47:47 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>.
>>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:45:01 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>>>>>cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>>>>>>>to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>>>>>>>In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>>>>>>>beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>>>>>>>in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>>>>>>from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>>>>>>>as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>>>>>>>used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>>>>>>>nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>>>>>>>takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>>>>>making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>>>>>*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>>>>>>>destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>>>>>>>and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>>>>>experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>>>>>have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>>>trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>>>>>>>be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
>>>>>>situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
>>>>>>animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
>>>>>>the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
>>>>>>actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
>>>>>>that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
>>>>>>relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
>>>>>>be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
>>>>>>matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
>>>>>>in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
>>>>>>eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
>>>>>>than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
>>>>>>reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
>>>>>>were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
>>>>>>situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
>>>>>>having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
>>>>>>everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
>>>>>>appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
>>>>>>"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
>>>>>>when they do not, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, that's a lie
>>>>
>>>> Your're lying again since you can't appreciate a distinction Goob. You can't
>>>>even appreciate that many domestic animals do experience lives of positive value
>>>>Goober, so you certainly can't comprehend any sort of distinction between when
>>>>they do and when they don't.
>>>>...
>>>>>animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>
>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it
>>>>Goots, nor even anywhere near as good. That has been proven by you and is not in
>>>>dispute, Goo.
>>>
>>>Existence, *Gloo*. That's all
>>
>> No Goober. Rocks exist but don't experience life, and it seems even someone
>>as remarkably stupid as you should be able to appreciate that obvious fact Goob.
>>But since you haven't been able to learn to appreciate that obvious example,
>>here are some more to see if you can ever learn to appreciate the stupidity of
>>your suggestion:
>>
>>trains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>planes exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>automobiles exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>mountains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>rivers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>iceburgs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>toasters exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>phones exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>dead people exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>bathtubs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>yoyos exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>microwave ovens exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>sox exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>toilets exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>light bulbs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>hamburgers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>hot dogs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>etc............................................. ........., Goo.
>
>something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>just . bullshit

To things that simply exist it is Goots. For things that exist and have the
benefit of experiencing life it's more than "just . bullshit" to them, Goo.