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Default Opinion piece on artificial sweeteners

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:17:02 -0700
Billy > wrote:

> In article >,
> Trawley Trash > wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:09:58 -0700
> > Billy > wrote:
> >
> > > First, it was the consumption of virgin top soil. More recently,
> > > the protein that envelops us comes from the Fritz Haber Process
> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process>
> > > and is responsible for the last 4 billion people to join the human
> > > race.

> >
> > OK. The Haber process produces ammonia that can then be used
> > as fertilizer. Other than the need to balance this with other
> > nutrients, I don't see a problem here.
> >
> > The earth is supporting 7 billion at the moment, and I don't
> > see any reason why it can't support 20 billion.

>
> I think it's a vision problem.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_footprint
> >

> The ecological footprint is a measure of human demand on the Earth's
> ecosystems. It is a standardized measure of demand for natural
> capital that may be contrasted with the planet's ecological capacity
> to regenerate. For 2007, humanity's total ecological footprint was
> estimated at 1.5 planet Earths; that is, humanity uses ecological
> services 1.5 times as quickly as Earth can renew them.


As an engineer I would want to look carefully at the claimed capacity
limit(s) before I would accept this.
I would guess we have been operating at 1.5 planet earths for
several thousand years. This is what provides the pressure
for technological advancement. We just keep getting better
at utilizing and distributing the available resources.
Just because something sounds like science doesn't mean it is
sound.

> The nitrogen from the Haber Process ends up as NH3 ---> consumed by
> plants & bugs ---> amino acids --> protein --> enzymes (including
> photosynthesis) ---> plants which we eat, or fed to animals that we
> eat ----> human protein.
>
> Top soil, stripped of its organic components requires increasing
> amounts of NH3 to maintain yields. The stripped top soil doesn't have
> tilth, and blows away, and washes away,
> <http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/gardennotes/212.html>
> GMOs have not increased yields, or nutrition.


As a write this forest fires are raging. Our small city
in the desert is choking in smog. In addition to pollution topsoil
topsoil is burning away. The federal government moved in
and turned our state lands into national forests so they could
"manage" them. Now they manage them by letting fires rage.

> The worlds population wold be much smaller without the Haber process.
>
> With the Haber Process we are consuming 40-75% of energy intake as
> carbohydrates, as opposed to 22 to 40%, back in the Paleolithic days.
> Celiac disease, and lactose intolerance show that Homo sapiens are
> still adapting to our new diet.


This doesn't make any sense. Nitrogen is not needed to make
carbohydrates. It is only found in protein.


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