On 03/19/2013 05:49 PM, Billy wrote:
> In article >, Todd >
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/17/2013 04:01 PM, Billy wrote:

>> Don't forget Acetyl L-Carnitine and Carnosine. I think it is the height
>> of arrogance to think our science can tell us everything to supplement
>> with when you are doing something unnatural. Eventually we will be
>> able to, but, I would posit, not before we develop long term frame
>> space travel. (I pity the first victims. The space station may be
>> solving some of the riddle.)
>
> ???? Dietary Sources:
> Red meat (particularly lamb) and dairy products are the main food
> sources of carnitine. It can also be found in fish, poultry, tempeh,
> wheat, asparagus, avocados, and peanut butter.
>
> What was your point?

That was my point. Meat is the main source of the two. If you
don't eat meat, you need to use technology to replace them.
There are only trace amounts in vegetables. Or you can eat
grains in a third world country with poor sanitation and get
them from the insect material you ingest.

I really think it is the height of arrogance to think that
our (current) science will be able to figure out everything
we need to supplement if we cut out all animal nutrition.

When we get to Mars, we should learn a lot. You can't do outside
without a special suite. The dirt is toxic (sulphuric acid):
Earthlings will have to bring dirt with them. Everything will have
to be grown in a green house. They will be pure vegetarians,
like it or not. They will probably get very sick until we
figure it out. And no bugs to supplement for animal nutrition
either.

We will probably figure a lot of things out in a hurry. In
the mean time I will enjoy my steak! (Who would want to go
to Mars: can't touch the soil; can't breath the air;
colder than hell all the time; and no trout.)


>> I worked at an aerospace company about 30 years ago where
>> all the raises and promotions went first to the pretty girls,
>> second to all the guys, and last to the ugly girls. It
>> was really irritating as I and other worked our asses off and
>> got no where. If a pretty girl broke her finger nail, everyone
>> swooped to her rescue (not me); if an ugly girl lay bleeding
>> on the floor, everyone (not me) would step over her. And,
>> fat was the kiss of death.
>
> I've never worked with people that far removed from the human race.
> A body is like a bottle that holds a wine, our personality. The bottle
> may attract, but it is the wine that people come back for.

100% agree and very well said.

And the prettiest girl, who was actually nice and got all the raises,
did not even want to be an engineer. She wanted to be a bar
tender! Her technical skill were average at best; her
interpersonal skill were off the scale. I hated the place.
But I had to put food on the table.

In my current consulting position, I have seen only a tiny bit
of this since. I go to a lot of companies. My favorite
companies to visit as ones with older ladies: finished (all
grown up), if you know what I mean. No games. You treat them
respectful and they get very loyal, which means return
customers. Although, if I look a little sick, they are on the
phone with my wife ratting me out.

>> >> Are you a girl or a guy? ("Billy" could be either.)
>>
>> You are killing me here!
>
> Sorry, I'm a 70 year old, hemorrhoidal, over weight, male. Happy now?

Yes.

56 year old curmudgeon in training here. Haven't got the cane shaking
thing down quiet yet ("Kids these days!"). Need to learn how to scowl
at folks with a walker too. If I fail at being a curmudgeon, I could
also switch over to "Old Fart". At this rate it will be Toothless Old
Fart! :-)

I asked about your gender as my wife in the most intelligent
person I have ever know (165+ IQ) and she is also the best writer
I have ever know. I recognized a few of her techniques in your
writing. Thought you sounded really smart like my wife. The
wine thing above sounds like some of her handiwork. (Did
I put my foot too far into my mouth? Didn't mean to call you a
"dudette", just a good word smith.)

-T