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"Todd" > wrote in message
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> On 03/18/2013 12:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Todd" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 03/17/2013 09:29 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> What's unnatural? Are you calling vegetarianism unnatural?
>>>
>>> Yes. Our eyes on the front of our heads, not the sides.
>>> We can not eat grass. We are born virtually blind and
>>> helpless. We can not run 30 minutes after being born.
>>> We do not have two stomaches. Yada, Yada, Yada.

>
>> We can eat grass.

>
> If you mean can we swallow grass, then yes. That is not what I meant.
> We can not break down the cellulose like a real herbivore. We
> need two stomaches for that.
>
>> One of my customers bought bags of grass seed on a
>> regular basis to be used for sprouts. He ate them.

>
> Sprouts and full grown grass are two different things. We can
> eat (digest) sprouts. They haven't developed the cellulose
> to the point where they are just bran to us.
>
>> Granted, most people
>> don't eat grass but we could.

>
> Yes we could swallow it. It is called "bran" to an omnivore.
> We can't digest it.
>
>> And no, we don't have two stomachs. Are you
>> comparing us to cows?

>
> Cow have two stomachs, so they can digest cellulose. We
> can't. You missed the point.


You do know that cellulose is added to a lot of food. Right? And what does
that have to do with vegetarianism? It doesn't!

>> Because cows can eat corn too.

>
> True. And it is really bad for them. It gives them ulcers [1]
> [2] [3]. It is unnatural to feed them corn. That is why feed
> lots have to race to fatten up cows before they kill them.
> We are not carrion eaters.


Cite that corn gives them ulcers? And we certainly can be carion eaters.
Ever watch Honey
Boo Boo? Seen those foreign films where the natives find a dead animal and
butcher it?
>
>> Are you saying that
>> we can't eat corn?

>
> We can. We shouldn't. It is like eating pure sugar. I
> believed that stupid food pyramid and their healthy
> carbohydrates monkey shine. I truly believe it is what
> burned out my beta cells. I know we disagree on this subject.


No. It's not like pure sugar at all. And yes, we very much do disagree.
>
>> These days cows eat all sorts of things. Well, some
>> cows anyway.

>
> They use to feed dead cows back to cows. Gross. Cows are
> not cannibals. Gave them Mad Cow disease. Hmmm.
> Really thought that one out really well, didn't they.


Oh really? Cite for that, then! You make all these off the wall claims and
just expect us to belive what you say!

>>> We are "omnivores", like bears. Except that bears are
>>> carrion eaters, unless you think hot dogs are carrion,
>>> then we are just like bears.

>>
>> No we're not.

>
> Both humans and bears are omnivores. Neither one of us
> are herbivores as neither one of us can digest grass
> (cellulose). I am not sure what you are disagreeing with.


Cite that the definition of an herbivore means digesting grass?
>
> Their are four basic type of mammals:
> herbivores
> omnivores
> carnivores
> carrion eaters
>
> We and bears are omnivores. Bears are also carrion eaters.
> Unless you think hot dogs are carrion, then ...


I know what carion is and some humans do in fact eat it.

>> Just because we *can* eat things doesn't mean that we should.

>
> 100% agree.
>
>>>
>>> By the way, lack of Acetyl L-Carnitine causes neuropathy.
>>> See what I am getting at?
>>>

>> Nope. Except that you seem very misguided on a lot of things.

>
> Play nice with the other children in the sand box.


Well, you're not really playing nice. Making all kinds of outlandish claims
as though they were fact.
>
>> Cite for
>> lack of Acetyl L-Carnitine causing neuropathy?

>
> Absolutely! [4] [5] Could this have been a contributing
> factor to your neuropathy? Vegetarianism causes all kinds
> of nerve damage if you are not careful to supplement
> and/or cheat on your diet (or eat figs). [6] [7] [8] [9]


That's not a cite. You put a quote from some place and didn't even
attribute to where it came from. I was a vegetarian for many years and had
no nerve damage. I know plenty of vegetarians now with no nerve damage.
>
>>
>>> Vegetarianism is unnatural. We are not cows or horses.

>>
>> It's not unnatural for me or all of the other vegetarians and vegans on
>> the
>> face of this earth.

>
> Oh yes, it is unnatural. So is space travel. It is up to the beholder
> to judge whether that is a good thing or a bad thing. I am not
> trying to offend you.


Now you say that space travel is unnatural? This is really getting
laughable. And you really are offending my sensibilities with all of this
clap trap.
>
> If you are a strict, true vegetarian, meaning you do not consume
> any animal nutrition (insects or meat [and fish is meat]) or use
> science to synthesize what you are missing, you will get very ill and risk
> death. I would posit anything that hurts someone is a bad thing.


Totally untrue! Just freaking totally!
>
> Some unnatural things are not bad things, like taking metformin.
>
> We can survive as pure carnivores, as do the Inuits [11], but we can
> not survive as pure vegetarians.


We could not survive like the Intuits. Few people in this country would eat
what they ate. And it is not available to us.
>
> That being said, very few vegetarians really are. They are just
> picky eaters. They eats bugs (figs [12] and bugs in their grains),
> milk, eggs, fish, chicken and on and so forth.


Nonsenese! Please, please quit your lying! Please! Vegetarians can eat
dairy and eggs. Vegans do not. Vegans do not use any animal products. Not
even leather. Vegetarians can use leather. Not all do.
>
> "Some" vegetarians do it to condescend. Makes them feel good about
> themselves without actually making the effort of being good people.
> Most vegetarians I know are doing it for their health -- to each his own.
> Hope they supplement and/or cheat on their diet. A lot of
> the meat we consume (not me) is pretty unhealthy. Not because
> meat is unhealthy, it is not, but because of what is in the meat
> and the unhealthy conditions it is raised under.


You are really insulting a lot of people by saying that.

>>>> What's a fat suite?
>>>
>>> It is a rubber suite that makes you look fat. Pretty
>>> realistic looking too. Lots of bigotry against fat people
>>> out there.

>
>> Those fat suits that I have seen make the person look grossly obese. I
>> have
>> never been grossly obese. I have been fat. I am fat. I have been thin.
>> I
>> have been very thin. Some of the most cruel remarks that people made to
>> and
>> about me came about when I was thin.

>
> Back before the television, I have seen adds for weight gain products
> that made big fun of skinny girls [13]. They implied a skinny girl
> could not get married, among other things.


Uh huh.
>
>> As a fat person, I have only ever had
>> one person make comments about my weight. That person makes nasty
>> comments
>> to and about any person who is overweight. He himself is very
>> overweight.
>> More overweight than I am. This person has a lot of other issues and
>> isn't
>> the most socially adept person. So his comments to me are meaningless.

>
> The proper response to folks like that is "Bite Me!" Ignore people
> like that.


Uh huh.
>
>>
>> Yes, I have seen those shows on TV and read magazine articles and such
>> about
>> how the people in the fat suits were mistreated. But it could also be
>> that
>> they were carrying themselves differently than normal. I just don't
>> know.

>
> Trust me, is because they are fat.


No. I really don't think so.
>
>> I see plenty of fat people around here. People who are fatter than me.
>> I've yet to hear anyone make a disparaging comment about them.

>
> Keep those friends!


>> My dad was and is fat. He had a very good career. Went far up in the
>> company. His weight didn't affect that at all.

>
> There is hope. Females suffer from fat bigotry far worse than
> men. And since dieting makes you fat [10], guess what
> happens to women when they give into to social pressure
> and diet? (Should that have been a question mark or a period?)


Oh good grief!
>
> Men suffer from being "success objects".


Really good grief! Now you are insulting everyone and you yourself are
coming across as a bigot.
>
> Our goal in society should be to judge people based on the
> strength of their character. Not what they look like.


Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh... How about we don't judge them at all? Of course judging
is human nature too.


> 1) http://vet.sagepub.com/content/18/2/143.full.pdf


Something from 1981?
>
> 2) http://www.johnrobbins.info/blog/grass-fed-beef/


A blog?
>
> 3)
> http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/wbc/...sionsimple.pdf
>
> 4)
> http://www.naturalmedicinejournal.co...n=2&article=77


Something from 2004?
>
> 5) https://www.google.com/Acetyl+L-Carnitine+neuropathy


A Google search? Did that myself. No cite there said that lack of it
caused neuropathy. One cite said that it might.
>
> 6)
> http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/wbc/...sionsimple.pdf
>

2004?

> 7) http://www.medicinenet.com/vegetaria...diet/page2.htm


Damn, Skippy! Your own cite proved you wrong there!
>
> 8) http://www.drnickcampos.com/health-n...deficiency.htm
>

We weren't talking about vitamin B deficiencies. And most vegans do know to
eat nutritional yeast to prevent that.
> 9)
> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-veganism.aspx


A cite from a quack? Not even going to read that.
>
> 10) http://www.alternet.org/story/91890/..._makes_you_fat


2008.
>
> 11)
> http://www.theiflife.com/the-inuit-p...se-and-cancer/


Not interested in that.
>
> 12)
> http://science.howstuffworks.com/zoo...s/fig-wasp.htm


Okay...
>
> 13) http://www.retronaut.com/2011/11/vin...ight-gain-ads/


Okay...

You threw up a bunch of crap links, wasting my time. And not one thing
proves what you said about lack of L Carnitine causing neuropathy.