In article >, Todd >
wrote:
> On 03/13/2013 11:22 AM, Billy wrote:
> >> Also they eat zero carbs. And they
> >> have no diabetes, no heart disease, no cancer, and no "white man's
> >> diseases".
>
> > Do areas still exist without trading posts (white bread, canned
> > sausage, booze)?
> > Yes, meat needs to be eaten raw to preserve its vitamin C, but
> > do the Inuits have greater longevity? I'm sure this is a nature/nurture
> > thing, and as usual there isn't anything to be done about nature, so we
> > are left with nurturing longevity.
>
> Great point. When the trading posts came, things went to hell.
>
> Here is a good article on it:
> http://www.theiflife.com/the-inuit-p...disease-and-ca
> ncer/
>
> From the article:
> Summing Up
>
> OkŠ.got all that? WhewŠ.Yes I know alot to readŠ.but loads
> important points. Let¹s summarize:
>
> The Inuit ate a diet high in meat and fat, low in fruits and
> vegetables and still had low rates of heart disease and cancer
> (sadly only recently when more modernization came to them in the
> form of convenience stores, soda and other processed foods did you
> see the illnesses start to increase. Once sugar came to themŠ.
> things went sour)
>
> Their meat they ate was completely different from the meat you are
> eating. Theirs was wild, fresh, sometimes raw, seal and other animals
> that you are probably not going to eat. Not to mention they also ate
> the organ meats, which againŠ.most people are not going to do. Because
> the animals were wild they were also not fed grains, contained good
> amounts of Omega 3s and low amounts of Omega 6sŠthe opposite of
> modern meats.
>
>
> So I would say, it's is what is in the meat.
>
> Think about the vegetarian lifestyle. If you go purely
> vegetarian, the lack of animal nutrition will kill you.
> (vitamin B12, etc.). This is not a more healthy anything.
>
> In the third world it is not an issue as vegetarians get
> their animal nutrition from all the bugs and bug eggs
> in their grains. Also, a lot of them eat figs, which
> are extremely high in animal nutrition (if you like and
> can still eat figs, don't look at the internals of
> a fig under a microscope).
>
> In the west, very few vegetarians are actually true
> vegetarians. I have made a habit of asking them
> and almost all of them eat fish, eggs, milks and so
> forth. Had an interesting conversation with one who
> said she would not eat anything with a face. In other
> words, nothing cuter than she was. She ate fish and
> chicken. Ahem. Both have faces and I think chickens
> are quite a bit cuter than she was. They are
> also hysterical. (Don't get me started on how pretty
> trout are.) With her, it was all about condescending.
> What an idiot. I guess she cuts her fish heads off
> so they can't stare up at her from her plate and
> ask "why?"
>
> Complete vegetarians, which are vary rare, get
> very sick eventually. Brain damage and all from
> lack of B12, etc.. The one true vegetarian I
> have know, got so sick, her doctor told her
> to either add a bit of chicken to her diet or
> she was going to die. She did and recovered.
> She was a really sweet lady too: no condescending
> at all. I am glad she recovered.
>
> So, if the study you cite is actually legitimate and
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677008/>
> not vegetarian propaganda (pure vegetarian will kill
> you where pure meat will not),
A bit of an overstatement, B1 can be supplemented, or yeast can be added
to diet. Protein matching (corn & rice), or Quinoa can give essential
amino acids, and chocolate is a good source of tryptophan.
But,
Somewhere between 30 and 50 percent of the girls and women seeking
treatment for anorexia and bulimia are vegetarian. About a third of
the patients at the eating disorders program at Bloomington Hospital in
Bloomington, Indiana, are vegetarian. At the Harvard Eating Disorder
Clinic it's the same. Sheri Weitz, a nutrition therapist for the Radder
Institute in Los Angeles has fully half her clients identifying as
vegetarian.
The vegetarian women and girls who turn up at eating disorder
clinics in such huge numbers didn't start as anorexics who just hap-
pened to choose a vegetarian diet. It was the other way around. They
started by choosing vegetarianism, and the lack of tryptophan trig-
gered an eating disorder. Zinc deficiency also plays a role in mood dis-
orders and obsessive compulsive behavior, including eating disorders.
And a zinc deficiency is easy to court as a vegetarian.
And dieting produces its own biochemistry. Specifically, the lack
of tryptophan, zinc, and niacin can trigger a full-blown eating disor-
der. Adolescents are most vulnerable because their bodies and brains
are still growing and have higher nutritional needs. Julia Ross has
treated teenage girls who became anorexic while on their very first
diet. The precipitating incident is, essentially, living in this female-
hating culture. What begins as simple dieting ends in an addictive
cycle of either binging and purging or plain starvation.
p. 230 - 31
The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability by Lierre Keith
<
http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myt...ability/dp/160
4860804/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281718588&sr=1-1>
(Available at better libraries near you)
> than I do believe it
> is what is in the meat, not the meat itself. We
> are not carrion eaters. That is for vultures and ants.
> If it moves, it is food. If it doesn't, step over it.
> As a society, we eat some pretty discussing meat.
>
> I would also posit that vegetarians tend to eat more
> organic stuff than the general population. (Even if
> they are not really true vegetarians.) They tend
> to be more health conscientious.
>
> >> In my opinion, buy organic and CSA (community supported
> >> >agriculture) whenever possible. And find a friend that hunts.
>
> > Or grow a garden, and buy organic.
>
> 1+
>
> I suck as a farmer. I will try again this year.
>
> >> >
> >> > I have a customer that got a moose the year before and it was
> >> >more than his family could eat. What a treat! An elk the year
> >> >before that. (I hate venison.)
> >> >
> >> >-T
>
> > Sadly, I still, occasionally, get the lust for salami.
>
> The hunter I mentioned has his own salami maker. He made
> up a bunch of moose salami last year. It was *insanely good*.
> No chemicals either. Smokes with with real wood or something,
> I don't remember the exact process. He is thinking of going
> for an elk this year.
>
> Maybe you could look into your own salami maker?
Thanks, but I usually avoid it.
>
> I am babbling, aren't I?
>
> -T
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