On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:28:23 -0800, Goo wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 19:13:38 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:25:12 -0800, Goo wrote:
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>>>On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:13:46 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:21:15 -0800, Goo wrote:
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>>>>>On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:56:01 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:15:24 -0800, Goo wrote:
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>>>>>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:23 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:25:25 -0800, Goo wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:05:48 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, Goo wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, Goo wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, Goo wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, Goo wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, Goo agreed:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, Goo lied:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, Goo lied extremely blatantly:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, Goo wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, and I forgot James Hepler.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Why do some people on one hand call for the extinction of a species
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>while on the other hand lamenting the extinction of another? Are they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not all equal?" - James Hepler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullshit was pure bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! A guy who asked "are they not all equal" supposedly is opposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>taking them into consideration. HILARIOUS! You are such a stupid Goober, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>experience life" story is bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you think he disagrees with himself then Goo? Also Goober, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>animals or beings of any kind do you want us to think don't derive the benefit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of getting to live, and why? Do you think any creatures DO derive the benefit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>getting to live Goob, and if so what do you think is the distinction between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them and livestock animals who you claim don't, do you have any idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gibberish is bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do live Goo. Billions of them. Some of them have lives of positive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>value and some of negative value, but you people can't appreciate or even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>acknowledge the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>No moral meaning to that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to YOU Goo, but it has much meaning to people who honestly favor decent
>>>>>>>>>>>>AW over elimination.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>It has no meaning
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Goo people who honestly believe decent AW is ethically equivalent or
>>>>>>>>>>superior to elimination have no reason to oppose taking those same lives and
>>>>>>>>>>potential lives into consideration, you stupid STUPID Goober.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course it does Goo, and the fact that you have no clue how much it has is
>>>>>>>>something else that exposes you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*. Everyone knows it -
>>>>>>>including you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It certainly has as much or more than their deaths Goob. ONLY
>>>>>>eliminationists have reason to oppose considering the animals' lives, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, it does not. It has *NO* meaning at all
>>>>
>>>> It sure does Goob and ONLY eliminationists are in a position to be unable to
>>>>appreciate the fact. And then ONLY the very stupid eliminationists are unable to
>>>>recognise the meaning at all. The more intelligent ones would recognise it even
>>>>if they were not able to appreciate it, as most likely no eliminationists are or
>>>>they would be AW advocates instead of eliminationists, Goo.
>>>>
>>>>>, *Goo* - zero. Their
>>>>>deaths *do* have some meaning, because ending a life is morally
>>>>>troubling.
>>>>
>>>> LOL!!! It's hilarious in the most pathetic of ways that you find ending
>>>>something you consider to be meaningless also morally troubling, Goo. LOL...what
>>>>a true Goober you are Goob.
>>>>
>>>>>Changing the course of action so that some animal lives
>>>>>don't happen is meaningless
>>>>
>>>> That part we know you can comprehend Goo, but how it has meaning when they
>>>>DO LIVE is one of the aspects you people are unable to appreciate and some of
>>>>you can't even comprehend.
>>>
>>>It doesn't. "Getting to experience life" has no meaning "to the
>>>animals"
>>
>> In contrast to that seemingly idiotic claim, it has the meaning of
>>everything they ever experience both good and bad afawk, Goo.
>
>No

It obviously necessarily does Goob. What do you think you could possibly
gain by stupidly and blatantly lying that it doesn't, Goo?