On Oct 10, 5:39*pm, CheeseHusker dos > wrote:
> On Oct 10, 10:36*am, Rupert > wrote:
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> > On Oct 10, 5:32*pm, CheeseHusker dos > wrote:
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> > > On Oct 10, 9:18*am, Rupert > wrote:
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> > > > On Oct 10, 4:09*pm, "J.C. Watts" > wrote:
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> > > > > On Oct 10, 3:26*am, Rupert > wrote:
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> > > > > > On Oct 9, 8:40*pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote:
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> > > > > > > >> Check this out Its great
> > > > > > > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
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> > > > > > > > It's shit. *It's unpalatable shit.
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> > > > > > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? **Extremely* suspicious.
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> > > > > > > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
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> > > > > > > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
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> > > > > > > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
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> > > > > > This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
> > > > > > suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
> > > > > > healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
> > > > > > exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
> > > > > > Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
> > > > > > diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
> > > > > > significant health benefits.
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> > > > > Yeah, but hamburgers taste so much better.
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> > > > Well, if that's what you reckon then that's fine. I've been vegan for
> > > > about 16 years and I definitely remember that I used to enjoy the
> > > > taste of meat and I also think that I enjoy my food now about as much
> > > > as I used to before I became vegan. And I also believe that by being
> > > > vegan I'm reducing my expected contribution to animal suffering.
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> > > > But you may find it unlikely that you would enjoy food and/or you may
> > > > not find the consideration about animal suffering to be compelling.
> > > > Which is of course your choice, I have no interest in trying to get
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> > > Why do you enjoy inflicting pain onto vegetables and fruits?
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> > No sensible person believes that vegetables and fruits are capable of
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> http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...-83446,00.html
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The assertion is false. The person does not provide any citations of
studies that support his point of view. In fact there is no credible
scientific evidence that plants are capable of feeling pain, and no
sane person would seriously claim that they are in any context other
than trying to irritate a vegetarian. If you saw someone applying a
blowtorch to a stray dog, you would call the police, but you wouldn't
make any effort to intervene if you saw someone mowing their lawn.

> At least when I eat cheese, I'm not killing the cow.
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Not directly, no, but you are giving financial incentives to an
industry which inflicts considerable suffering and premature death on
a large number of cows. Dairy cows are killed when they outlive their
usefulness, and their calves are used in the veal industry, which
confines them in small crates too small for them to turn around and
deliberately keeps them anemic so that their flesh will be pale and
soft.

http://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm_animals/...re_issues.aspx

> What's it feel like to be a mass murderer and a major contributer to
> global warming? *Why do you hate the earth?

I have no idea what you are babbling on about. By becoming a vegan I
have reduced my contribution to global warming, this is a well-
established fact. Any carbon footprint calculator will ask you "are
you a vegan", and the government of Britain agreed that it would be a
good idea to try to persuade people to reduce their meat consumption
in an effort to combat global warming.

I think there's pretty overwhelming evidence that the production of my
food causes less premature death and suffering of conscious creatures
and environmental harm than that of the diet of a typical omnivore,
but if you think otherwise then maybe you could make some kind of
respectable effort at actually making your case. As far as I can tell
you are making your assertions in complete ignorance and absence of
any actual data.

I also don't really know why you feel compelled to argue this point
with me; you seem to be in some way threatened by what I have chosen
to do. I'm not making any attempt to change your behaviour, I'm simply
trying to clear up misconceptions about veganism being unhealthy and
to explain the rationale for what I do. Your hostility and ill-founded
attempts to cast moral aspersions strike me as irrational.