On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:09:06 -0700, Dutch > wrote:

>dh@. wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:34:44 -0700, Dutch > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:22:43 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:39:09 -0700, Dutch > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact is that humans are natural predators, and eating meat is a
>>>>>> normal life experience for most people. The problem is that many food
>>>>>> animals are raised and slaughtered without regard for their comfort
>>>>>> and pain, which I suspect is the crux of the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with everything you said, except that animal welfare is not part
>>>>> of the issue in the debate between dh@ and everyone else. He tries to
>>>>> make it appear that it is, but that's just one of his smokescreens.
>>>>
>>>> That's a blatant lie since I refer to animals who have lives of negative
>>>> value as well as those of positive value.
>>>
>>> Nope, it is the truth.
>>
>> Obviously I refer to animals who have lives of negative value as well as
>> those of positive value.
>
>Animal welfare is not what your position is about, that is a smokescreen.

I encourage people to appreciate when decent AW AND OTHER THINGS result in
lives of positive value for millions of livestock animals, and you discourage
people from appreciating it.