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On 4/18/2012 8:59 AM, dh@. wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:31:51 -0700, > wrote:
>
>> <dh@.> wrote in message ...
>>> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:57:23 -0700, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> <dh@.> wrote in message ...
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:33:21 -0700, > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:09:03 -0700, > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <dh@.> wrote
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:01:26 -0700, > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Explain the distinction between "consideration of animal suffering"
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> "appreciation for lives of positive value for livestock animals".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Consideration of suffering is considering a negative aspect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Negative aspects are only ones that require our attention. Positive
>>>>>>>> situations are already just fine as they are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The other
>>>>>>>>> considers a positive aspect which is why you've been opposing it all
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It serves no constructive purpose to "consider a positive aspect", and
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> clearly smacks of self serving rationalization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In contrast to that dishonest eliminationist perspective it's a
>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>> part of considering the big picture in a realistic way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Explain why it is necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it's a significant aspect of the big picture. The fact that
>>>>> you
>>>>> can't recognise much less appreciate the significance is another one of
>>>>> the ways
>>>>> that you reveal yourself
>>>>
>>>> Repeating that you *think* it is significant is not an explanation. An
>>>> explanation involves giving reasons.
>>>>
>>>> Hint: Don't bother straining your brain trying to think of one, there
>>>> aren't
>>>> any.
>>>
>>> There's the fact that it's a very significant aspect of human influence
>>> on
>>> animals.

>>
>> You keep saying its significant but you can't say how

>
> It allows billions of animals to enjoy lives of positive value.


You mean it allows billions of animals to exist. That's *all* you care
about.