"Speciesism" - nothing wrong with it
On Apr 16, 4:58*am, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 4/15/2012 6:32 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> > On Apr 16, 2:13 am, George > *wrote:
> >> On 4/12/2012 3:08 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>> On Apr 12, 6:47 pm, George > * *wrote:
> >>>> On 4/12/2012 8:56 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>> On Apr 12, 7:11 am, George > * * *wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/11/2012 8:53 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>>>> On Apr 12, 12:23 am, > * * * *wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>> Most ethicists would agree that equal consideration of interests is
> >>>>>>>>> the default starting position.
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> >>>>>>>> For whom? My default starting position for consideration is my own
> >>>>>>>> interests, followed by my immediate family including my pets, my community,
> >>>>>>>> my country, mankind, higher level animals, rare plant species, lower level
> >>>>>>>> animals, the planet, and the economy is implied in there somewhere.
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> >>>>>>>> The default starting position for every organism in existence is its own
> >>>>>>>> interests, that is the way the world works.
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> >>>>>>> That is something that requires defence from the moral point of view.
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> >>>>>> Why?
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> >>>>> Because the interests of other organisms are equally important from
> >>>>> the moral point of view,
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> >>>> That's the assertion you must prove, but have to date not even attempted
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> >>> The burden of proof is on someone who says that the interests of a
> >>> particular class of organisms deserve special consideration.
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> >> The burden of proof is on you limp challengers.
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> > Well, it just degenerates into an exchange of contrary assertions
> > about who has the burden of proof
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> You have claimed not only that the burden of proof in terms of
> justifying "speciesism" is on those who rely on it,
Yes, I have claimed that, and I have also claimed that most ethicists
agree on this point, and my friend who is a PhD student in metaethics
agrees with me.
> You keep piling up
> the burdens of proof that you then shirk.
What do you want me to try to prove?
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