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Default "vegan" arrogance and egotism

On 3/23/2012 8:14 PM, Mr.Smartypants wrote:
> On Mar 23, 9:00 pm, George > wrote:
>> On 3/23/2012 3:58 PM, Rupert wrote:
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>>> On Mar 23, 11:21 pm, George > wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2012 3:07 PM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>> On Mar 23, 11:03 pm, George > wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/23/2012 1:30 PM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 4:56 pm, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/23/2012 8:46 AM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 4:00 pm, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/23/2012 12:03 AM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 7:52 am, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2012 11:31 PM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 7:25 am, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2012 11:04 PM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 6:55 am, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2012 10:27 PM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2:33 am, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A typical "vegan" tries to argue "Why vegans are simply better people."http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=226259

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All "vegans" believe that. Woopert is lying when he says he doesn't.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you suppose would motivate me to lie about it?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you know that bragging that your character is better than that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of others, particularly on such an inflammatory and contentious topic as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not putting animal parts in your mouth, is going to generate a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well-founded criticism, and you don't want to have to defend yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against the charge of placing yourself on a moral pedestal, so you just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lie. But you *do* think you're "simply better" than those who use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animal products.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You say that I am aware that the critcism would be "well-founded".

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I say it is well-founded, and it would be, because bragging about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being better, even if an objective case can be made that one is better,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is still disparaged.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter if you know it would be well-founded or not. You *do*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that the criticism would ensue, so to avoid it you lie and claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to believe what you obviously *do* believe.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I know that the criticism would be well-founded, wouldn't this lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me to critically re-examine the belief?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The criticism would be for the bragging, you stupid ****wit. You know this.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The simple fact is, you do believe you're "better" than meat eaters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on what you don't put in your mouth.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't really think, in general, it is meaningful to say that one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person is "better" than another. I'm with the followers of the school
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Rational Emotive Behavioural Therapy on this one. You can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningfully compare two different people.

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>>>>>>>>>>>> That's bullshit. If I focus on one wrong behavior at a time - say,
>>>>>>>>>>>> robbing liquor stores - and you commit the crime and I don't, then I am
>>>>>>>>>>>> better than you in that one dimension - not in doubt.

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>>>>>>>>>>> Well, your behaviour is morally better in that dimension, yes, and I
>>>>>>>>>>> never denied that. I've always agreed that I believe that, other
>>>>>>>>>>> things equal, making some effort to reduce the amount of suffering
>>>>>>>>>>> required to produce your food is morally better than not doing so.

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>>>>>>>>>> The problem is *all* you have left is a shaky, ill-founded belief that
>>>>>>>>>> you're "making an effort" merely by not putting animal parts in your
>>>>>>>>>> mouth. All the piercing criticisms elaborated in the "vegan shuffle"
>>>>>>>>>> argument continue to hold. You aren't "minimizing" and you aren't
>>>>>>>>>> "doing the best you can" in regard to reducing suffering merely by not
>>>>>>>>>> putting animal parts in your mouth. You just can't conclude you're
>>>>>>>>>> doing anything meaningful by *not* consuming animal parts, relative to
>>>>>>>>>> someone who does. Your beliefs about what the consumption of animal
>>>>>>>>>> parts mean with regard to the *amount* of suffering one causes are false.

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>>>>>>>>> What reasons do you have for thinking they are false?

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>>>>>>>> We've been through that countless times, you time-wasting shitbag. The
>>>>>>>> belief that one is making a meaningful reduction in animal suffering
>>>>>>>> merely by *not* putting animal parts in one's mouth has been
>>>>>>>> demonstrated to be illogical and false.

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>>>>>>> No, it hasn't.

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>>>>>> It has, of course, and you know it.

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>>>>> Of course, I don't.

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>>>> You do, of course.

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>>>>> If I believed that, why would I still be vegan?

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>>>> Irrational obstinacy.

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>>> You're a fool.

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>> Your an arrogant, egotistical and stubborn shitworm.

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> "Your" is possessive. You should have said, "you're". See Goo, you're
> too stupid to be a net nanny.....so stop it!


You're right. You get a "gold star" for the day. Your mommy will be proud.