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Default Always put quotes around "vegan"

On Mar 23, 2:40*pm, Rupert > wrote:
> On Mar 22, 5:47*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
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> > On 3/22/2012 9:29 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > > On 22 Mrz., 16:38, George > *wrote:
> > >> On 3/22/2012 2:28 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>> On Mar 22, 5:12 am, George > * *wrote:
> > >>>> On 3/21/2012 8:40 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>> On Mar 21, 9:53 pm, George > * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 3/21/2012 12:22 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>> On Mar 21, 8:14 pm, George > * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 12:02 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 8:00 pm, George > * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 11:40 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 7:36 pm, George > * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 10:59 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 6:13 pm, George > * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 9:27 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Mrz., 17:19, George > * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 9:12 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Mrz., 15:55, George > * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 12:08 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 7:58 am, George > * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/20/2012 11:53 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 20, 7:36 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/20/2012 10:03 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 20, 5:38 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/20/2012 8:44 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 20, 4:13 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2012 10:31 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 7:27 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 4:29 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 11:37 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 7:15 am, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 11:07 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 6:13 am, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 8:09 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 6:16 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 1:07 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2:33 am, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2012 3:33 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2012 8:33 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 3:50 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2012 1:05 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 6:12 am, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just a hideously ugly fake word on its face, and the loathsome
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas and false beliefs encapsulated in it are even more hideously ugly.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's ugly about the ideas involved in veganism?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> False morality is inherently ugly, especially when it involves self
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exaltation and sanctimony.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe that a desire to do something about animal suffering
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is inherently ugly, and

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There isn't any such authentic desire. *It's really all about the ego
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and self-image of the so-called "vegan".

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This belief of yours strikes me as irrational.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it doesn't. *You just say that to try to deflect attention from you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own ego gratification and self-exaltation.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How exactly do you think I am trying to exalt myself

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that you're "better" than omnivores based on what you don't eat.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask pointless questions?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked the question because I was curious to know the answer.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Do you perhaps have some alternative explanation in mind?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem very willing to share your thoughts with me at the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't ask me to share them - you just asked me if I had any.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I would be interested to hear what the alternative explanation
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that you have in mind, if you care to share it.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give some consideration (!) to sharing it.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I hope you will share it, because the chances are it will be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amusingly stupid.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it almost certainly would not be.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably you know what alternative explanation you have in mind of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why I asked the question.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you say that it "almost certainly would
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be" amusingly stupid, does that mean that there is some doubt in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your mind about the matter?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.- Zitierten Text ausblenden -

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Zitierten Text anzeigen -

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then why do you say "almost certainly" as opposed to "certainly"?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you teaching beginning algebra in Germany?- Zitierten Text ausblenden -

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Zitierten Text anzeigen -

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I'm not doing any teaching, why?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then how are you ****ing away your time in Germany?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Doing research on topological twin buildings and topological groups.

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> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So, the telemarketing job was a bust, eh?

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> > >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know why you keep carrying on about that telemarketing job.

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> > >>>>>>>>>> I thought it suited you.

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> > >>>>>>>>> You think a lot of things.

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> > >>>>>>>> Yes, and nearly all of them are high-quality thoughts. *Among them are
> > >>>>>>>> what an arrogant and egotistical goof you are.

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> > >>>>>>> A lot of people who know me better than you do don't think I'm
> > >>>>>>> arrogant and egotistical.

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> > >>>>>> I'm sure a lot of people think ****wit makes perfect sense, too.

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> > >>>>> I find that rather unlikely.

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> > >>>> You don't know the circle of people with whom ****wit associates.
> > >>>> ****wit has said that his associates find his bizarre, poorly founded
> > >>>> blabbering about philosophy and ethics to be very sensible. *We know
> > >>>> already that ****wit's associates are as wretchedly uneducated as he is
> > >>>> - guys who have maintenance jobs in rural taverns or occasional work as
> > >>>> band roadies as ****wit has said he has don't tend to associate with
> > >>>> thinking people.

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> > >>>> I /do/ know the class of people with whom you associate, because
> > >>>> although I didn't complete my Ph.D., I was around those people for a
> > >>>> long time, and some people I know who did finish the program are still
> > >>>> friends and acquaintances.

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> > >>> Another point you're missing, George, is that quite a lot of my family
> > >>> and friends haven't done any kind of postgraduate study, and yet they
> > >>> still don't think that I'm arrogant and egotistical.

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> > >> They're suck-ups.

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> > > You're a fool.

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> > You're an arrogant and egotistical clueless urbanite. ***** off.

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> Go and stuff your head up a pig.



He already did. That's why he is the way he is.