(I don't suppose you folks realize that one of the things that drove the
beer and wine people away and thus devitalized this venerable old newsgroup
was grotesque cocktails. It was an issue in the late 1980s and finally
boiled over about 10 years ago, causing other groups to split off. Now
rec.food.drink resembles a once-vital city center with deserted streets, old
newspapers blowing around, occasional advertising, but very few people
except the occasional pimp, drunk, or crank ...)