On 3/22/2012 11:47 PM, Rupert wrote:
> On Mar 23, 7:25 am, George > wrote:
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>>> On Mar 23, 6:55 am, George > wrote:
>>>> On 3/22/2012 10:27 PM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>> On Mar 23, 2:33 am, George > wrote:
>>>>>> A typical "vegan" tries to argue "Why vegans are simply better people."http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=226259
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>>>>>> All "vegans" believe that. Woopert is lying when he says he doesn't.
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>>>>> What do you suppose would motivate me to lie about it?
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>>>> Because you know that bragging that your character is better than that
>>>> of others, particularly on such an inflammatory and contentious topic as
>>>> not putting animal parts in your mouth, is going to generate a lot of
>>>> well-founded criticism, and you don't want to have to defend yourself
>>>> against the charge of placing yourself on a moral pedestal, so you just
>>>> lie. But you *do* think you're "simply better" than those who use
>>>> animal products.
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>>> You say that I am aware that the critcism would be "well-founded".
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>> No, I say it is well-founded, and it would be, because bragging about
>> being better, even if an objective case can be made that one is better,
>> is still disparaged.
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>> It doesn't matter if you know it would be well-founded or not. You *do*
>> know that the criticism would ensue, so to avoid it you lie and claim
>> not to believe what you obviously *do* believe.
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>>> If I know that the criticism would be well-founded, wouldn't this lead
>>> me to critically re-examine the belief?
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>> The criticism would be for the bragging, you stupid ****wit. You know this.
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>> The simple fact is, you do believe you're "better" than meat eaters
>> based on what you don't put in your mouth.
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> You obviously want to believe that what's in it for me to be a vegan
> is to be able to view myself as a "better" person, as opposed to
> trying to do something about animal suffering.

It has been shown that you can't conclude anything meaningful about the
amount of animal suffering you cause*, yet you continue to remain
"vegan" and you think it is *good* to do that. As there is no objective
moral gain from it, the only thing left is a personal gain to you in
your self-esteem. You think you're "better" than meat eaters.

* you aren't living "cruelty free", you're not "minimizing", you're not
"doing the best you can".