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Default Attn: Woopert - "glen" claims to be "cruelty free" (was The 'vegan' shuffle)

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:45:28 -0700, "Dutch" > wrote:

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><dh@.> wrote in message news
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:25:02 -0700, "Dutch" > wrote:
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>>><dh@.> wrote in message ...
>>>> On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:07:32 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>>news >>>>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:57:21 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:1g5dl71ri9t5mok0io0hg6uj9sapuoktm4@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:55:32 +0000, Glen > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 06/03/2012 08:57, Rupert wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 5:08 am, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Woopert, "glen" here is a "vegan" who claims his diet doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> kill
>>>>>>>>>>> *any*
>>>>>>>>>>> animals. What do you have to say to him, Woopert?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He is incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have never denied that animals die during crop production. What I
>>>>>>>>>deny is ... [Goo's] baseless claim that all the food I eat is
>>>>>>>>>/contaminated/
>>>>>>>>>with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>See ...[Goo] arguing against veganism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans".
>>>>>> "Vegans" aren't interested in contributing to lives of any
>>>>>> quality for farm animals: they don't want there to be farm
>>>>>> animals." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Life "justifying" death is the stupidest goddamned thing
>>>>>> you ever wrote." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting
>>>>>> to experience life" - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>See how he ALWAYS does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ""vegans" are interested in their influence on animals,
>>>>>> ****wit. They want everyone to be "vegan", which would
>>>>>> mean no animals raised for food and other products. That's
>>>>>> an influence, whether you like it or not." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ""Veg*nism" certainly doesn't harm any living farm animals.
>>>>>> And if everyone adopted "veg*nism", no farm animals would
>>>>>> live in bad conditions." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "the "getting to experience life" deserves NO moral
>>>>>> consideration, and is given none; the deliberate killing
>>>>>> of animals for use by humans DOES deserve moral
>>>>>> consideration, and gets it." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
>>>>>> their deaths" - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
>>>>>> (in ****wit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
>>>>>> killing them." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "When considering your food choices ethically, assign
>>>>>> ZERO weight to the morally empty fact that choosing to
>>>>>> eat meat causes animals to be bred into existence." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>See how you continue to insist that he a <sic> "eliminationist".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
>>>>>> their deaths" - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "the nutritionally unnecessary choice deliberately to kill an animal
>>>>>> ALWAYS causes a moral harm greater in magnitude than . . . the
>>>>>> moral "benefit" realized by the animal in existing at all" - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
>>>>>> than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The meaningless fact-lette that farm animals "get to
>>>>>> experience life" deserves no consideration when asking
>>>>>> whether or not it is moral to kill them. Zero." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
>>>>>> of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>See how that shows what a fool you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not to raise the
>>>>>> animals as the only way to prevent the harm that results from
>>>>>> killing them." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Humans could change it. They could change it by ending it." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is no "selfishness" involved in wanting farm animals not to
>>>>>> exist as a step towards creating a more just world." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for such a clear demonstration of your blinding stupidity.
>>>>
>>>> HOW do you want us to try pretending that Goo's claims are my
>>>> stupidity, do
>>>> you have any clue at all?
>>>
>>>Thanks for

>>
>> Then YOU are the moron for trying to pretend Goo's claims have anything
>> to
>> do with me, when you have no reason to try to pretend backing the stupid
>> idea up
>> with.

>
>It is YOU who listed all the quotes, and it is YOU who has misconstrued and
>misinterpreted all of them.


The Goober himself said they were all true. Do you think he really disagrees
with himself about that?