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Default Always put quotes around "vegan"

On 3/22/2012 2:28 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just a hideously ugly fake word on its face, and the loathsome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas and false beliefs encapsulated in it are even more hideously ugly.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's ugly about the ideas involved in veganism?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> False morality is inherently ugly, especially when it involves self
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exaltation and sanctimony.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe that a desire to do something about animal suffering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is inherently ugly, and

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There isn't any such authentic desire. It's really all about the ego
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and self-image of the so-called "vegan".

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This belief of yours strikes me as irrational.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it doesn't. You just say that to try to deflect attention from you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own ego gratification and self-exaltation.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How exactly do you think I am trying to exalt myself

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that you're "better" than omnivores based on what you don't eat.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask pointless questions?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked the question because I was curious to know the answer.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Do you perhaps have some alternative explanation in mind?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem very willing to share your thoughts with me at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't ask me to share them - you just asked me if I had any.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I would be interested to hear what the alternative explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that you have in mind, if you care to share it.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give some consideration (!) to sharing it.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I hope you will share it, because the chances are it will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amusingly stupid.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it almost certainly would not be.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably you know what alternative explanation you have in mind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why I asked the question.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you say that it "almost certainly would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be" amusingly stupid, does that mean that there is some doubt in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your mind about the matter?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.- Zitierten Text ausblenden -

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then why do you say "almost certainly" as opposed to "certainly"?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you teaching beginning algebra in Germany?- Zitierten Text ausblenden -

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I'm not doing any teaching, why?

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>>>>>>>>>>>> Then how are you ****ing away your time in Germany?

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>>>>>>>>>>> Doing research on topological twin buildings and topological groups.

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>>>>>>>>>> So, the telemarketing job was a bust, eh?

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>>>>>>>>> I don't know why you keep carrying on about that telemarketing job.

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>>>>>>>> I thought it suited you.

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>>>>>>> You think a lot of things.

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>>>>>> Yes, and nearly all of them are high-quality thoughts. Among them are
>>>>>> what an arrogant and egotistical goof you are.

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>>>>> A lot of people who know me better than you do don't think I'm
>>>>> arrogant and egotistical.

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>>>> I'm sure a lot of people think ****wit makes perfect sense, too.

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>>> I find that rather unlikely.

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>> You don't know the circle of people with whom ****wit associates.
>> ****wit has said that his associates find his bizarre, poorly founded
>> blabbering about philosophy and ethics to be very sensible. We know
>> already that ****wit's associates are as wretchedly uneducated as he is
>> - guys who have maintenance jobs in rural taverns or occasional work as
>> band roadies as ****wit has said he has don't tend to associate with
>> thinking people.
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>> I /do/ know the class of people with whom you associate, because
>> although I didn't complete my Ph.D., I was around those people for a
>> long time, and some people I know who did finish the program are still
>> friends and acquaintances.

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> Another point you're missing, George, is that quite a lot of my family
> and friends haven't done any kind of postgraduate study, and yet they
> still don't think that I'm arrogant and egotistical.


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