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Default Always put quotes around "vegan"

On Mar 22, 5:12*am, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 3/21/2012 8:40 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> > On Mar 21, 9:53 pm, George > *wrote:
> >> On 3/21/2012 12:22 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>> On Mar 21, 8:14 pm, George > * *wrote:
> >>>> On 3/21/2012 12:02 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>> On Mar 21, 8:00 pm, George > * * *wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/21/2012 11:40 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>> On Mar 21, 7:36 pm, George > * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 10:59 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 9:27 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Mrz., 17:19, George > * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2012 9:12 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/20/2012 11:53 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2012 10:31 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 11:07 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 6:13 am, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 8:09 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 6:16 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 1:07 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2:33 am, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2012 3:33 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2012 8:33 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 3:50 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2012 1:05 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 6:12 am, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just a hideously ugly fake word on its face, and the loathsome
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas and false beliefs encapsulated in it are even more hideously ugly.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's ugly about the ideas involved in veganism?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> False morality is inherently ugly, especially when it involves self
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exaltation and sanctimony.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe that a desire to do something about animal suffering
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There isn't any such authentic desire. *It's really all about the ego
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and self-image of the so-called "vegan".

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This belief of yours strikes me as irrational.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it doesn't. *You just say that to try to deflect attention from you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own ego gratification and self-exaltation.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How exactly do you think I am trying to exalt myself

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that you're "better" than omnivores based on what you don't eat.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask pointless questions?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked the question because I was curious to know the answer.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Do you perhaps have some alternative explanation in mind?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem very willing to share your thoughts with me at the
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't ask me to share them - you just asked me if I had any.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I would be interested to hear what the alternative explanation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that you have in mind, if you care to share it.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give some consideration (!) to sharing it.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I hope you will share it, because the chances are it will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amusingly stupid.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it almost certainly would not be.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably you know what alternative explanation you have in mind of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why I asked the question.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you say that it "almost certainly would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be" amusingly stupid, does that mean that there is some doubt in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your mind about the matter?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.- Zitierten Text ausblenden -

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then why do you say "almost certainly" as opposed to "certainly"?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you teaching beginning algebra in Germany?- Zitierten Text ausblenden -

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> >>>>>>>>>>> No, I'm not doing any teaching, why?

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> >>>>>>>>>> Then how are you ****ing away your time in Germany?

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> >>>>>>>>> Doing research on topological twin buildings and topological groups.

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> >>>>>>>> So, the telemarketing job was a bust, eh?

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> >>>>>>> I don't know why you keep carrying on about that telemarketing job.

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> >>>>>> I thought it suited you.

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> >>>>> You think a lot of things.

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> >>>> Yes, and nearly all of them are high-quality thoughts. *Among them are
> >>>> what an arrogant and egotistical goof you are.

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> >>> A lot of people who know me better than you do don't think I'm
> >>> arrogant and egotistical.

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> >> I'm sure a lot of people think ****wit makes perfect sense, too.

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> > I find that rather unlikely.

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> You don't know the circle of people with whom ****wit associates.
> ****wit has said that his associates find his bizarre, poorly founded
> blabbering about philosophy and ethics to be very sensible. *We know
> already that ****wit's associates are as wretchedly uneducated as he is
> - guys who have maintenance jobs in rural taverns or occasional work as
> band roadies as ****wit has said he has don't tend to associate with
> thinking people.
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> I /do/ know the class of people with whom you associate, because
> although I didn't complete my Ph.D., I was around those people for a
> long time, and some people I know who did finish the program are still
> friends and acquaintances.


Another point you're missing, Ball, is that quite a lot of my family
and friends haven't done any kind of postgraduate study, and yet they
still don't think that I'm arrogant and egotistical.