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On 21 Mrz., 15:55, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 3/21/2012 12:08 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> > On Mar 21, 7:58 am, George > *wrote:
> >> On 3/20/2012 11:53 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>> On Mar 20, 7:36 pm, George > * *wrote:
> >>>> On 3/20/2012 10:03 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>> On Mar 20, 5:38 pm, George > * * *wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/20/2012 8:44 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>> On Mar 20, 4:13 pm, George > * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 3/19/2012 10:31 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 7:27 pm, George > * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 4:29 pm, George > * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 11:37 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 7:15 am, George > * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 11:07 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 6:13 am, George > * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 8:09 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 6:16 pm, George > * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 1:07 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2:33 am, George > * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2012 3:33 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 8:00 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2012 8:33 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 3:50 pm, George > * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2012 1:05 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 6:12 am, George > * * * * * * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just a hideously ugly fake word on its face, and the loathsome
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas and false beliefs encapsulated in it are even more hideously ugly.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's ugly about the ideas involved in veganism?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> False morality is inherently ugly, especially when it involves self
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exaltation and sanctimony.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe that a desire to do something about animal suffering
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There isn't any such authentic desire. *It's really all about the ego
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and self-image of the so-called "vegan".

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This belief of yours strikes me as irrational.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it doesn't. *You just say that to try to deflect attention from you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own ego gratification and self-exaltation.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How exactly do you think I am trying to exalt myself

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that you're "better" than omnivores based on what you don't eat.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask pointless questions?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked the question because I was curious to know the answer.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>> Really?

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> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes.

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> >>>>>>>>>> Really!?

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> >>>>>>>>> Yes. Do you perhaps have some alternative explanation in mind?

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> >>>>>>>> Yes.

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> >>>>>>> You don't seem very willing to share your thoughts with me at the
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> >>>>>> You didn't ask me to share them - you just asked me if I had any.

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> >>>>> Well, I would be interested to hear what the alternative explanation
> >>>>> is that you have in mind, if you care to share it.

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> >>>> I'll give some consideration (!) to sharing it.

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> >>> Well, I hope you will share it, because the chances are it will be
> >>> amusingly stupid.

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> >> No, it almost certainly would not be.

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> > Presumably you know what alternative explanation you have in mind of
> > why I asked the question.

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> > When you say that it "almost certainly would
> > not be" amusingly stupid, does that mean that there is some doubt in
> > your mind about the matter?

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Then why do you say "almost certainly" as opposed to "certainly"?