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Default Attn: Woopert - "glen" claims to be "cruelty free" (was The 'vegan' shuffle)


<dh@.> wrote in message news
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:25:02 -0700, "Dutch" > wrote:
>
>><dh@.> wrote in message ...
>>> On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:07:32 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>>
>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>news >>>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:57:21 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:1g5dl71ri9t5mok0io0hg6uj9sapuoktm4@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:55:32 +0000, Glen > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 06/03/2012 08:57, Rupert wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 5:08 am, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Woopert, "glen" here is a "vegan" who claims his diet doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> kill
>>>>>>>>>> *any*
>>>>>>>>>> animals. What do you have to say to him, Woopert?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He is incorrect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have never denied that animals die during crop production. What I
>>>>>>>>deny is ... [Goo's] baseless claim that all the food I eat is
>>>>>>>>/contaminated/
>>>>>>>>with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>See ...[Goo] arguing against veganism.
>>>>>
>>>>> "People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans".
>>>>> "Vegans" aren't interested in contributing to lives of any
>>>>> quality for farm animals: they don't want there to be farm
>>>>> animals." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "Life "justifying" death is the stupidest goddamned thing
>>>>> you ever wrote." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting
>>>>> to experience life" - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>>>See how he ALWAYS does.
>>>>>
>>>>> ""vegans" are interested in their influence on animals,
>>>>> ****wit. They want everyone to be "vegan", which would
>>>>> mean no animals raised for food and other products. That's
>>>>> an influence, whether you like it or not." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> ""Veg*nism" certainly doesn't harm any living farm animals.
>>>>> And if everyone adopted "veg*nism", no farm animals would
>>>>> live in bad conditions." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> ""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "the "getting to experience life" deserves NO moral
>>>>> consideration, and is given none; the deliberate killing
>>>>> of animals for use by humans DOES deserve moral
>>>>> consideration, and gets it." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
>>>>> their deaths" - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
>>>>> (in ****wit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
>>>>> killing them." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "When considering your food choices ethically, assign
>>>>> ZERO weight to the morally empty fact that choosing to
>>>>> eat meat causes animals to be bred into existence." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>>>See how you continue to insist that he a <sic> "eliminationist".
>>>>>
>>>>> ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
>>>>> their deaths" - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "the nutritionally unnecessary choice deliberately to kill an animal
>>>>> ALWAYS causes a moral harm greater in magnitude than . . . the
>>>>> moral "benefit" realized by the animal in existing at all" - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
>>>>> than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "The meaningless fact-lette that farm animals "get to
>>>>> experience life" deserves no consideration when asking
>>>>> whether or not it is moral to kill them. Zero." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
>>>>> of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>>>See how that shows what a fool you are.
>>>>>
>>>>> "you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not to raise the
>>>>> animals as the only way to prevent the harm that results from
>>>>> killing them." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "Humans could change it. They could change it by ending it." - Goo
>>>>>
>>>>> "There is no "selfishness" involved in wanting farm animals not to
>>>>> exist as a step towards creating a more just world." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for such a clear demonstration of your blinding stupidity.
>>>
>>> HOW do you want us to try pretending that Goo's claims are my
>>> stupidity, do
>>> you have any clue at all?

>>
>>Thanks for

>
> Then YOU are the moron for trying to pretend Goo's claims have anything
> to
> do with me, when you have no reason to try to pretend backing the stupid
> idea up
> with.


It is YOU who listed all the quotes, and it is YOU who has misconstrued and
misinterpreted all of them.