"veganism" is bullshit
On Mar 15, 5:36*am, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 3/14/2012 8:32 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> > On Mar 15, 4:06 am, George > *wrote:
> >> On 3/14/2012 6:51 PM, Dutch wrote:
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> >>>>> One compelling argument that you have definitely seen was given in great
> >>>>> detail in the vegan shuffle argument.
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> >>>> Perhaps you can tell me which one you have in mind.
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> >>> The "shuffle". The vegan's core belief is that by going vegan one is no
> >>> longer complicit in animal suffering. When the fallaciousness of that
> >>> belief is pointed out to them they start shuffling. This takes various
> >>> forms, such as a retreat to the "less suffering" position or a switch to
> >>> the "injustice" position.
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> >> The shuffle shows that "vegans" are incoherent. *They don't have a valid
> >> reason for not consuming animal parts. *If it's because they think doing
> >> so violates animals' "rights", they lose: *their consumption causes the
> >> violation of animals' rights. *Point this out, and they switch to
> >> reducing suffering, but it's possible to follow a meat-including diet
> >> that causes less suffering than the diets most "vegans" follow. *Suggest
> >> that they consume meat that involves less suffering than what is caused
> >> by *their* "vegan" diets, and they flip-flop back to the rights argument.
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