"veganism" is bullshit
On 3/14/2012 8:28 PM, Rupert wrote:
> On Mar 15, 2:51 am, > wrote:
>>> > wrote
>>> On Mar 14, 10:04 pm, > wrote:
>>>> One compelling argument that you have definitely seen was given in great
>>>> detail in the vegan shuffle argument.
>>
>>> Perhaps you can tell me which one you have in mind.
>>
>> The "shuffle". The vegan's core belief is that by going vegan one is no
>> longer complicit in animal suffering. When the fallaciousness of that belief
>> is pointed out to them they start shuffling. This takes various forms, such
>> as a retreat to the "less suffering" position or a switch to the "injustice"
>> position.
>
> How is that evidence that the motivation for going vegan is not to
> help animals?
Nice try, woopert. We're not talking about your alleged initial motive.
What I said is that your supposed concern is fake. The proof of that
is that when it is conclusively demonstrated that the *sole* step you
take - refraining from putting animal parts in your mouth - does not
lead to the conclusion you assumed, you nonetheless stick with it, and
do nothing more.
You began by believing one or both of two things:
1. Refraining from consuming animal parts would mean, necessarily,
that you weren't violating the "rights" of any animals.
2. Refraining from consuming animal parts would mean, necessarily,
that you were causing less harm to animals than *all* meat consumers.
It cannot be doubted or disputed that you believed one or both of these
things. If you didn't, then there could not possibly be any rational
basis for concluding that you ought not put animal parts in your mouth.
It has been shown beyond all dispute that neither is true:
1. The "rights" of animals are routinely violated in the course of
producing the things you consume.
2. Refraining from putting animal parts in your mouth in no way shows
that you are causing less harm than *all* meat consumers.
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