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Default "veganism" is bullshit

On Mar 14, 9:37*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 3/14/2012 1:28 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> > On Mar 14, 9:26 pm, George > *wrote:
> >> On 3/14/2012 12:55 PM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>> On Mar 14, 4:04 pm, George > * *wrote:
> >>>> On 3/14/2012 4:26 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>> On Mar 13, 6:42 pm, George > * * *wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/13/2012 9:25 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>> On 13 Mrz., 17:21, George > * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 3/13/2012 8:35 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>> On 13 Mrz., 15:58, George > * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/13/2012 1:30 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 10, 4:22 pm, George > * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2012 6:51 AM, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Mrz., 15:46, George > * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The initial interest in veganism is obviously motivated by concern
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about animal suffering.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not. *It's motivated by a childish personification of animals.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I have said before,

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was bullshit before, just as it's bullshit now.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You reckon?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, yes, for certain.

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So you think that it doesn't strike me as irrational to deny that for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> most vegans the initial interest in veganism is motivated by concern
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about animal suffering?

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> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's motivated by a childlike misunderstanding of it. **All* they see is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that the meat came from a "cute" animal, and they feel "sad" about it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Awww...I'meatingamoo-cow, mommy. *Waaaahhhhh!"

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> >>>>>>>>>>> And presumably you would claim that these utterances of yours don't
> >>>>>>>>>>> strike me as irrational.

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> >>>>>>>>>> Of course - they are. *I denigrate your fake concern for animals for the
> >>>>>>>>>> childlike emotional reaction they are.

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> >>>>>>>>> What evidence do you have that the concern is fake?

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> >>>>>>>> It's a concern for yourself, not for animals.

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> >>>>>>> Why do you think that?

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> >>>>>> I've shown that often enough over the time you've been participating here.

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> >>>>> And how do [timewasting]

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> >>>> I've shown it.

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> >>> Really?

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> >> Yep.

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> > And have you convinced me that you've shown it?

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> I don't really care. *You've seen what I have said. *Whether or not
> you're convinced is immaterial.


I'm obviously not aware of what arguments you have in mind. Maybe you
could actually answer the question.