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Default "veganism" is bullshit

On 3/14/2012 1:28 PM, Rupert wrote:
> On Mar 14, 9:26 pm, George > wrote:
>> On 3/14/2012 12:55 PM, Rupert wrote:
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>>> On Mar 14, 4:04 pm, George > wrote:
>>>> On 3/14/2012 4:26 AM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>> On Mar 13, 6:42 pm, George > wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/13/2012 9:25 AM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>>>> On 13 Mrz., 17:21, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/13/2012 8:35 AM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>>>>>> On 13 Mrz., 15:58, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/13/2012 1:30 AM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 10, 4:22 pm, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2012 6:51 AM, Rupert wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Mrz., 15:46, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The initial interest in veganism is obviously motivated by concern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about animal suffering.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not. It's motivated by a childish personification of animals.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I have said before,

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was bullshit before, just as it's bullshit now.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You reckon?

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, yes, for certain.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you think that it doesn't strike me as irrational to deny that for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> most vegans the initial interest in veganism is motivated by concern
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about animal suffering?

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>>>>>>>>>>>> It's motivated by a childlike misunderstanding of it. *All* they see is
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the meat came from a "cute" animal, and they feel "sad" about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Awww...I'meatingamoo-cow, mommy. Waaaahhhhh!"

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>>>>>>>>>>> And presumably you would claim that these utterances of yours don't
>>>>>>>>>>> strike me as irrational.

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>>>>>>>>>> Of course - they are. I denigrate your fake concern for animals for the
>>>>>>>>>> childlike emotional reaction they are.

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>>>>>>>>> What evidence do you have that the concern is fake?

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>>>>>>>> It's a concern for yourself, not for animals.

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>>>>>>> Why do you think that?

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>>>>>> I've shown that often enough over the time you've been participating here.

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>>>>> And how do [timewasting]

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>>>> I've shown it.

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>>> Really?

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>> Yep.

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> And have you convinced me that you've shown it?


I don't really care. You've seen what I have said. Whether or not
you're convinced is immaterial.