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George Plimpton

On 3/10/2012 3:06 AM, father of the bride wrote:

I *like* that nym!

> On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:51:42 -0800 (PST), > wrote:
>> On Mar 7, 10:12 pm, > wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:59:20 -0800, > wrote:
>>>>> > wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't pay any attention to the naysayers here.
>>>
>>>>> That's bad advice.
>>>
>>>>>> Their only objective
>>>>>> is to make vegans feel that their efforts are worthless.
>>>
>>>>> Some of their efforts have merit, for example a well
>>>>> designed vegan diet can be healthy,
>>>
>>>> You say that now, but you'll soon be back to saying,
>>>
>>>> "As I have mentioned here before, failure to thrive is
>>>> one of vegetarianism's dirty little secrets. I have
>>>> experienced it first- hand, my family returned to eating
>>>> meat after 18 years as vegetarians because of it."
>>>> Dutch Aug 5 2004 http://tinyurl.com/yd5u5a
>>>
>>> That doesn't contradict what I said above.
>
> Yes, it does. You said that "a well-designed vegan diet can
> be healthy" above, but you've often said that it isn't, and that
> a failure to thrive on it is one of vegetarianism's dirty little
> secrets. The only dirty little secret I can see is yours. You
> haven't had any kids. You don't have a family. They and you
> didn't fail to thrive on a vegetarian diet. Your anecdotal
> evidence used to support your arguments is a lie.
>
>>>> Face it, Dutch, there's not a single issue that's been raised
>>>> here, or anywhere, that you haven't lied about. You even
>>>> lied about having kids to make that particular lie more
>>>> convincing.
>>>
>>> No I didn't.
>>
>> Did you or did you not have kids? Isn't it the case that you have
>> given inconsistent testimony about that on different occasions?
>
> Yes, it's true that he has lied about having and not having
> kids to help support his arguments here on animal-related
> newsgroups and on alt.abortion.
>
> "The land goes back in my wife's family quite a few
> generations and making something like this out of it
> would be grand, **we have no kids** to leave it to."
> Dutch Oct 22 2001 http://tinyurl.com/yk8qoh
>
> "My wife and I had two kids .. "
> Dutch Jun 30 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ssm99
>
> "As I have mentioned here before, failure to thrive is
> one of vegetarianism's dirty little secrets. I have
> experienced it first- hand, my family returned to eating
> meat after 18 years as vegetarians because of it."
> Dutch Aug 5 2004 http://tinyurl.com/yd5u5a
>
> "During my wife's pregnancies *I* ended up doing
> most of the housework ..."
> Dutch Jan 19 2006 http://tinyurl.com/yz4dsw
>
> "No child is born into ideal circumstances. Were you?
> I sure wasn't. My wife wasn't, neither were my kids."
> Dutch Feb 20 2006 http://tinyurl.com/yb4dhz
>
> "I don't want my kids seeing cancer surgery or videos
> of assaults or anything that might cause them undue
> emotional distress. They're children."
> Dutch Jun 30 2006 http://tinyurl.com/ybu8kq
>
> "I never forced my kids to be vegetarians, and they
> weren't, [because I never had kids].
> Dutch Oct 17 2006 http://tinyurl.com/y9trhd
>
> In alt.abortion he argued,
>
> "In fact I have been a pro-choice activist, my former
> wife was a nurse in an abortion clinic for a time with
> Henry Morgentaler prior to Roe v Wade. She faced
> charges for it. My current wife has had an abortion."
> Dutch 7 May 2006 http://tinyurl.com/28oxdg
>
> But
>
> [start - A.M. to Dutch]
> > Does your wife agree with your principles? What if
> > she didn't? Would you divorce her if she aborted your
> > child? If your wife mistakenly got pregnant and simply
> > did not want to committ to the full term and subsequent
> > child bearing, would you leave her?
> [Dutch]
> My wife would never kill a member of our family, not
> before birth, not after. The idea is unthinkable.
> [end]
> Dutch 4 Dec 2002 http://tinyurl.com/3dz22p