vicarious moral responsibility
On 3/9/2012 5:02 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Mar 9, 8:48 am, George > wrote:
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>>> On Mar 9, 8:05 am, George > wrote:
>>>> On 3/8/2012 10:45 PM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>> On Mar 8, 6:59 pm, George > wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/8/2012 9:38 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 5:46 pm, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2012 8:10 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 5:09 pm, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2012 7:43 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 4:42 pm, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2012 12:05 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 9:32 pm, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "glen" or "mark" or "little cocksucker" - the friend of Lesley Simon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Whore of Ballaghaderreen, County Roscommon - has it. He shares
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moral responsibility for the animal CDs caused in order to put food on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his plate. This cannot be rationally disputed.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> His relationship with the hands-on killers of animals has these elements:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * the relationship is voluntary - no coercion applied to the principal
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * the principal is an active participant, i.e., actively engages in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the relationship such as, for example, going to the grocery
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * the principal is fully aware of the agent's actions
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * the relationship is not instrumentally necessary for the principal to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve a legitimate goal, e.g. the acquisition of food
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "mark" or "glen" or "little cocksucker" or whatever he is this week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need to hire an agent at all, and he doesn't need to hire one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who kills animals collaterally. That he does makes him share moral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility for the deaths of animals. He cannot claim to be living
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a "cruelty free 'lifestyle'", and he sure as hell isn't "minimizing" his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD footprint because he has never measured.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your injection of carbon emission's into our planet's atmosphere has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these elements:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> - It is voluntary; no-one is coercing you into doing it.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> - You are an active participant
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> - You are fully aware of the likely consequences of continued
>>>>>>>>>>>>> injection of carbon emissions into our planet's atmosphere for other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> humans
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> - It is not instrumentally necessary for you to achieve any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate goal.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> You therefore have vicarious moral responsibility for the future harms
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to humans that will take place that will have been contributed to by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your activity.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep - I never denied it, either.
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>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, good. Would you also agree that it is more than likely that some
>>>>>>>>>>> humans will very prematurely die in the future as a result of
>>>>>>>>>>> anthropogenic climate change to which your activity has contributed?
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>>>>>>>>>> Still trying to find some way to make the dispersed sand of that fake
>>>>>>>>>> pedestal come back together like a rock, are you, Woopert? It won't
>>>>>>>>>> work. Your belief about your moral pose is false.
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>>>>>>>>> I don't know what belief you are talking about,
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>>>>>>>> The belief that refraining from eating animal bits is ethically
>>>>>>>> required, and that therefore if one does it one is ethically superior to
>>>>>>>> one who doesn't. That belief, you ****ing liar.
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>>>>>>> I don't believe either of those things.
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>>>>>> You sure do believe the first, and logically therefore you must believe
>>>>>> the second. Both are false.
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>>>>> What I believe is that it is morally required, for most people living
>>>>> in modern agriculturally bountiful societies, anyway, to make some
>>>>> effort to reduce the amount of suffering and premature death that
>>>>> needs to be caused in order to produce their food. In fact I've been
>>>>> known to say they should make "every reasonable effort" although I
>>>>> acknowledge I have not offered any useful definition of what counts as
>>>>> a "reasonable effort",
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>>>> Of course you haven't, because you, yourself, do nothing, so blabbering
>>>> about "reasonable effort" would be rather leaden irony coming from you.
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>>> It is obviously false that I have done nothing.
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>> It is quite obviously *true* that you have done nothing.
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> You strike me as being a very irrational person.
No.
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