vicarious moral responsibility
On Mar 8, 5:47*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 3/8/2012 8:18 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> > On Mar 8, 4:53 pm, George > *wrote:
> >> On 3/8/2012 12:48 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>> On Mar 7, 9:32 pm, George > * *wrote:
> >>>> "glen" or "mark" or "little cocksucker" - the friend of Lesley Simon,
> >>>> the Whore of Ballaghaderreen, County Roscommon - has it. *He shares
> >>>> moral responsibility for the animal CDs caused in order to put food on
> >>>> his plate. *This cannot be rationally disputed.
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> >>>> His relationship with the hands-on killers of animals has these elements:
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> >>>> * the relationship is voluntary - no coercion applied to the principal
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> >>>> * the principal is an active participant, i.e., actively engages in
> >>>> * * *the relationship such as, for example, going to the grocery
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> >>>> * the principal is fully aware of the agent's actions
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> >>>> * the relationship is not instrumentally necessary for the principal to
> >>>> * * *achieve a legitimate goal, e.g. the acquisition of food
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> >>> If I am to remain employed at the University of Münster, I do need to
> >>> buy the products of commercial agriculture in order to obtain food.
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> >> So? *There is no need to remain so employed; that's a *want* that you have.
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> >>> I really don't think there's any way around that. So presumably you
> >>> would claim that remaining employed at the University of Münster is
> >>> not a "legitimate goal".
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> >> You are making a choice. *You must bear all moral responsibility for the
> >> consequences of your choice.
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> >> You keep losing sight of the fact that I am not telling you to cause
> >> zero animal deaths or harm. *I'm instructing you to stop making the
> >> false conclusion you make about the meaning of not putting animal bits
> >> in your mouth. *You are not following a "cruelty free" diet, and you are
> >> not "minimizing" the harm you cause. *You must admit that your
> >> conclusion about your moral position due to adhering to the false belief
> >> system of "veganism" is false.
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> > No, I'm not following a cruelty free diet, and I'm not doing literally
> > everything that is within my power short of suicide to minimise the
> > harm that I cause
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> Therefore, being "vegan" achieves nothing ethically required.
That obviously does not follow.
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