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Attn: Woopert - Derek says omnivores bear no moral responsibilityfor the deaths of meat animals
On 3/7/2012 8:57 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On 7 Mrz., 17:56, George > wrote:
>> On 3/7/2012 6:03 AM, Derek wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:45:21 -0800, George > wrote:
>>> [Assigning vicarious responsibility
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>>> How to Cite
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>>> Shultz, T. R., Jaggi, C. and Schleifer, M. (1987), Assigning vicarious
>>> responsibility. European Journal of Social Psychology, 17: 377–380.
>>> doi: 10.1002/ejsp.2420170314
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>>> Abstract
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>>> An experiment tested three hypotheses about the conditions under which
>>> someone can be held vicariously responsible for the actions of
>>> another. Two of the hypotheses received empirical support: that the
>>> vicariously responsible person is in a superior relationship to the
>>> person who caused the damage and is able to control that person's
>>> causing of the damage]
>>> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...70314/abstract
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>>> Vicarious responsibility only has meaning iff the accused "person is
>>> in a superior relationship to the person who caused the damage and is
>>> able to control that person's causing of the damage." Vegetarians
>>> aren't "able to control the food producer's causing of the damage."
>>> Meat eaters don't want to control it; they want it to happen. But I've
>>> always held that neither the meat-eater nor the vegetarian are
>>> responsible for the collateral deaths accrued during the production of
>>> their food. They can't be. The evidence given above from academics in
>>> the field of social psychology make it perfectly clear.
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>> What do you have to say, Woopert? Is Derek right? It is a fact -
>> beyond rational dispute, as I enjoy saying - that the meat consumer is
>> in *exactly* the same relationship to meat animal farmers and processors
>> as the "vegan" is in with respect to crop farmers and processors.
>> Therefore, if the "vegan" bears no responsibility for the deaths caused
>> by crop farming, then the omnivore bears no responsibility for the
>> deaths of meat animals. The degree of control and the degree of
>> "[superiority in the] relationship to the person who caused the damage"
>> are identical.
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>> How about it, Woopert?
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> Yes, I agree with you about that hypothetical statement but I suspect
> that Derek will not.
Well, good for you, then.
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