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Default Attn: Woopert - "glen" claims to be "cruelty free" (was The'vegan' shuffle)

On Mar 6, 9:42*am, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 3/6/2012 6:07 AM, Glen wrote:
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> > On 06/03/2012 13:54, Rupert wrote:
> >> On Mar 6, 1:55 pm, > wrote:
> >>> On 06/03/2012 08:57, Rupert wrote:

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> >>>> On Mar 6, 5:08 am, George > wrote:
> >>>>> Woopert, "glen" here is a "vegan" who claims his diet doesn't kill
> >>>>> *any*
> >>>>> animals. What do you have to say to him, Woopert?

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> >>>> He is incorrect.

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> >>> I have never denied that animals die during crop production. What I
> >>> deny is George's baseless claim that all the food I eat is
> >>> /contaminated/
> >>> with it.

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> >> Well, suffering and death have to take place to produce your food, as
> >> long as you acknowledge that that's fine.

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> > It may be the case that some animals die but I don't believe
> > they /have/ to die.

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> They *do* die, and you're doing nothing to prevent it. *You just keep
> trying to cling to the fiction that because you're not the hands-on
> killer, you don't have any moral responsibility for the deaths. *That
> position is false - you *do* have moral responsibility.
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> > I live on a farm and since my father's stroke
> > about two years ago my sister and her husband keep a relatively
> > small part of it going without killing animals

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> Bullshit. *They kill animals.
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> > to produce vegetables and fruits all year round.

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> *NOT* enough for all of you to live on year round. *It isn't even the
> majority of what you eat.
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> Your moral pedestal is destroyed. *You don't cause zero deaths, you
> don't cause the lowest possible number of deaths, and you don't cause
> fewer than *all* omnivores. *You have nothing left.



Goo, I have been asking for several years for photographic proof of
the collateral deaths that you allege. When can I expect you to supply
it?