The 'vegan' shuffle
On Mar 5, 6:08*am, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 3/4/2012 8:55 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> > On Mar 5, 5:48 am, George > *wrote:
> >> On 3/4/2012 8:27 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>> On Mar 5, 4:40 am, George > * *wrote:
> >>>> On 3/4/2012 12:10 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>> On 4 Mrz., 18:05, George > * * *wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/4/2012 4:29 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>>>> On 3 Mrz., 19:18, George > * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 3/3/2012 4:00 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 6:37 am, George > * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2012 8:25 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 8:06 pm, George > * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2012 10:38 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Mrz., 19:33, George > * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2012 9:35 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Mrz., 16:43, George > * * * * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2012 3:43 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Mrz., 23:46, dh@. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:36:50 -0800, Goo wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "veganism" is not a reliable means
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * * * *· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What they try to avoid are products which provide life
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to be successful:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gelatin capsules, *adhesive tape, laminated wood products,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * * * * *The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being vegan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * * * * *From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derived from grass raised animals.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You keep on making this claim over and over again, just as you have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for at least six years, but when challenged to provide actual evidence
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it you are unable to provide any.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****wit doesn't have any evidence, of course, but for certain there is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong logical case to be made. *What do you think the number of deaths
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused raising one grass-fed steer might be? *How many deaths can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plausibly be attributed to the farming of one hectare of rice in a wet
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paddy?
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have any idea about the answers to either of those questions,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I was talking about soya-based products, not rice.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you certainly ought to be able to think in terms of what's plausible
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and seems to make sense, can't you? *Oh, wait - maybe not.
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