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On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:56:36 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:

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>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:29:04 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
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>>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:14:34 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
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>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:56:31 +0000, Derek >
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>>>>>>>On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:49:48 -0800, dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>>>>On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:22:12 +0000, Nemo (heh heh heh)
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>>>>>>>>>On 10/01/2012 23:13, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 22:31:27 +0000, Nemo (heh heh heh)
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>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2012 20:32, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > (heh heh heh) wrote
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why Veganism?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For compassion,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's my reason.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered the collateral impact of those vegan
>>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives? For
>>>>>>>>>>>> example leather is a by-product of the meat industry,
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>>>>>>>>>>> No it is not a by-product. More animals are slaughtered than
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise be for their meat for leather.
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>>>>>>>>>> How do you figure that?
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>>>>>>>>>Leather is a co-product of the meat industry, not a by-product of
>>>>>>>>>it. It's an economically dependent product of meat production made
>>>>>>>>>simultaneously with it to make each affordable to the consumer and
>>>>>>>>>thereby increases the demand for slaughtered animals. A by-product
>>>>>>>>>is something produced incidentally to another product that isn't
>>>>>>>>>economically dependent on it for its production.
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>>>>>>>> Leather is.
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>>>>>>> [Most consumers mistakenly assume that leather is merely
>>>>>>> a by-product of the meat industry, and that buying leather
>>>>>>> clothing does not increase the number of animals slaughtered.
>>>>>>> However, this belief ignores the economic interdependence
>>>>>>> of factory farming and the leather trade. In reality, leather is
>>>>>>> a co-product of the meat industry, generating significant
>>>>>>> profits for both factory farms and the leather trade itself. In
>>>>>>> fact, without the lucrative sale of animal skins for leather,
>>>>>>> factory farms would not even be able to turn a profit by
>>>>>>> selling meat alone.
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>>>>>> Provide some reason to believe the claim. Go:
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>>>>>Humans have NEVER considered animal hides to be waste.
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>>>> They are waste to the vast majority of the food industry. Duh. You
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>>>> provide some evidence that MORE cattle experience life because of
>>>> leather,
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>>>> do exist because they're raised to be used for food. Go:
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>>>You just need to shut up.

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>> LOL!!! You reveal yourself yet AGAIN by being opposed to pointing out
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>> NO more cattle experience life because humans buy leather than would exist
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>> they did not, much less does buying a belt cause any "extra" bovine to
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>> anywhere on this or any other planet. Duh again. ONLY an eliminationist
>> would be
>> opposed to seeing that fact clearly pointed out and included in the
>> equation.

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>Why is that?


Because they are the only ones who are in a position that the information
works against their objective. Their objective is for people to become vegan
REGARDLESS of any impacts it would or would not have on existing animals or
potential future animals. NO ONE else's objectives would be negatively
influenced by the fact becoming widely known, accepted and acted upon.

>And of what importance is the number of cattle who "experience
>life"?


Even you should be able to figure out what the significance is both to
people who want to prevent any from being born at all, and also to people who
would like to see billions of them experience lives of positive value. If you
can't then ask Goo or Rupert if they can help you. Even if the three of you
together can't figure it out it would do you good to try, even if all you learn
from trying is that you can't figure it out.