On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:14:34 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:

><dh@.> wrote in message ...
>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:56:31 +0000, Derek > wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:49:48 -0800, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:22:12 +0000, Nemo (heh heh heh) >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On 10/01/2012 23:13, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 22:31:27 +0000, Nemo (heh heh heh) >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2012 20:32, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>> > (heh heh heh) wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why Veganism?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For compassion,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's my reason.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you considered the collateral impact of those vegan
>>>>>>>> alternatives? For
>>>>>>>> example leather is a by-product of the meat industry,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it is not a by-product. More animals are slaughtered than would
>>>>>>> otherwise be for their meat for leather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you figure that?
>>>>>
>>>>>Leather is a co-product of the meat industry, not a by-product of
>>>>>it. It's an economically dependent product of meat production made
>>>>>simultaneously with it to make each affordable to the consumer and
>>>>>thereby increases the demand for slaughtered animals. A by-product
>>>>>is something produced incidentally to another product that isn't
>>>>>economically dependent on it for its production.
>>>>
>>>> Leather is.
>>>
>>> [Most consumers mistakenly assume that leather is merely
>>> a by-product of the meat industry, and that buying leather
>>> clothing does not increase the number of animals slaughtered.
>>> However, this belief ignores the economic interdependence
>>> of factory farming and the leather trade. In reality, leather is
>>> a co-product of the meat industry, generating significant
>>> profits for both factory farms and the leather trade itself. In
>>> fact, without the lucrative sale of animal skins for leather,
>>> factory farms would not even be able to turn a profit by
>>> selling meat alone.
>>
>> Provide some reason to believe the claim. Go:
>
>Humans have NEVER considered animal hides to be waste.

They are waste to the vast majority of the food industry. Duh. You need to
provide some evidence that MORE cattle experience life because of leather, than
do exist because they're raised to be used for food. Go: