<dh@.> wrote in message ...
> On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:06:26 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
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>>
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>><dh@.> wrote in message ...
>>> On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:10:15 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>>
>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:54:58 -0800, "Dutch" lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:a7h4g7pgdi2tvu35297beeomrqvmu3mdsu@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 02:41:47 +0000 (UTC), Jahbulon
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dutch" > wrote in
>>>>>>>>news >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why don't you do some research and report back
>>>>>>>>> to the group instead of tossing out questions
>>>>>>>>> and hoping others will do the work for you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't know where to start. My only experience is non-leather belts
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>seem to break within about a week, and shoes that don't last as long
>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>those made of leather.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're almost certainly contributing to more cds every time you
>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> things than you would be if you bought leather, unless those things
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> involve any cds at all as leather doesn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's a lie.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're lying. You can't say every death associated with the animal
>>>>> is
>>>>> also
>>>>> associated with every single product and part of product that results
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> animal having lived and died.
>>>>
>>>>You can and you must.
>>>>
>>>> For example if a grass raised steer was
>>>>> responsible for 12 significant deaths of other animals like rodents
>>>>> and
>>>>> reptiles, which is probably extremely high
>>>>
>>>>You don't have the slightest idea if it's high or not.
>>>
>>> How do you think cows kill?
>>
>>Hay production kills animals.
>
> If they have to be fed hay sometimes that would add some cds.
>
>>>>, and the animal was raised for beef,
>>>>> then the 12 deaths are split amoung however many servings of beef
>>>>> resulted
>>>>> from
>>>>> butchering. That being the case those deaths can't ALSO be AGAIN
>>>>> counted
>>>>> for the
>>>>> by-products which the animal was not specifically raised for. Not for
>>>>> leather,
>>>>> not for fertilizer, not for pet food...
>>>>
>>>>Every product derived from the animal shares in the resultant death
>>>>toll.
>>>>Why would pet food and leather be exempt?
>>>
>>> Because it was only raised for food.
>>
>>Then no leather or pet food were produced.
>
> It was raised for food, and leather and pet food are made from the
> waste. It
> would still be raised for food regardless of what the waste is used for.

It's not waste, any more than the meat is waste. Both products enter into
the economics of the decision to raise livestock in the first place.