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<dh@.> wrote in message ...
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:10:15 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>
>><dh@.> wrote in message ...
>>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:54:58 -0800, "Dutch" lied:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><dh@.> wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 02:41:47 +0000 (UTC), Jahbulon
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dutch" > wrote in news >>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why don't you do some research and report back
>>>>>>> to the group instead of tossing out questions
>>>>>>> and hoping others will do the work for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know where to start. My only experience is non-leather belts
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>seem to break within about a week, and shoes that don't last as long
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>those made of leather.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're almost certainly contributing to more cds every time you buy
>>>>> those
>>>>> things than you would be if you bought leather, unless those things
>>>>> don't
>>>>> involve any cds at all as leather doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>That's a lie.
>>>
>>> You're lying. You can't say every death associated with the animal is
>>> also
>>> associated with every single product and part of product that results in
>>> the
>>> animal having lived and died.

>>
>>You can and you must.
>>
>> For example if a grass raised steer was
>>> responsible for 12 significant deaths of other animals like rodents and
>>> reptiles, which is probably extremely high

>>
>>You don't have the slightest idea if it's high or not.

>
> How do you think cows kill?


Hay production kills animals.


>>, and the animal was raised for beef,
>>> then the 12 deaths are split amoung however many servings of beef
>>> resulted
>>> from
>>> butchering. That being the case those deaths can't ALSO be AGAIN counted
>>> for the
>>> by-products which the animal was not specifically raised for. Not for
>>> leather,
>>> not for fertilizer, not for pet food...

>>
>>Every product derived from the animal shares in the resultant death toll.
>>Why would pet food and leather be exempt?

>
> Because it was only raised for food.


Then no leather or pet food were produced.