chazwin wrote:
> Actually its worse than that. In increasing the intake of vegetables,
> Vegans are responsible for the death of more animal life than a meat
> eater.

Not necessarily, but it's really beside the point. The real point is,
they never really attempt to measure their death toll. It's rather
obvious that some possible omnivores' diets have a lower death toll than
some "vegan" diets.


> As a meat eater I can subsist on the life of one animal for a long
> time.

But more likely than not, you don't.


> To eat a vegetable I am responsible for the death of many
> insects that have to be killed to protect that life if that plant.

Depends. If you lived entirely on fruits and nuts that you personally
harvested from trees - preferably after they already fell off the trees
- then you probably would have a lower death toll than virtually all
omnivores. But of course, no one does that.


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> On Dec 24, 8:17 pm, ex-PFC Wintergreen >
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>> DC wrote:
>>> NY Times
>>> In his new book, “Eating Animals” (Amazon.com:
>>> http://snurl.com/EatAni), the novelist Jonathan Safran
>>> Foer describes his gradual transformation from omnivorous,
>>> oblivious slacker who “waffled among any number of diets”
>>> to “committed vegetarian.” Last month, Gary Steiner, a
>>> philosopher at Bucknell University, argued on the Op-Ed
>>> page of The New York Timeshttp://snurl.com/ttw8wthat
>>> people should strive to be “strict ethical vegans” like
>>> himself, avoiding all products derived from animals,
>>> including wool and silk. Killing animals for human food and
>>> finery is nothing less than “outright murder,” he said...
>>> But before we cede the entire moral penthouse to “committed
>>> vegetarians” and “strong ethical vegans,” we might consider
>>> that plants no more aspire to being stir-fried in a wok
>>> than a hog aspires to being peppercorn-studded in my
>>> Christmas clay pot. This is not meant as a trite argument
>>> or a chuckled aside. Plants are lively and seek to keep it
>>> that way. The more that scientists learn about the
>>> complexity of plants — their keen sensitivity to the
>>> environment, the speed with which they react to changes in
>>> the environment, and the extraordinary number of tricks
>>> that plants will rally to fight off attackers and solicit
>>> help from afar — the more impressed researchers become, and
>>> the less easily we can dismiss plants as so much fiberfill
>>> backdrop...
>>> Continued:http://snurl.com/ttw97
>> "vegans" are not "more ethical" for refusing to consume animal products.
>> In fact, the very fact of being "vegan" is an indication that the
>> person describing himself as such is morally bankrupt, because
>> "veganism" isn't about doing the right thing at all; it's purely about
>> making an invidious, sanctimonious comparison with others and then
>> patting oneself on the back.
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