Ha wrote:
> ex-PFC Wintergreen wrote:
>
>> All "vegans" start by believing a logical fallacy:
>>
>> If I consume animal products, I cause animals to suffer and die.
>>
>> I don't consume any animal products;
>>
>> therefore, I don't cause any animals to suffer and die.
>
> All vegans?

Without exception. They all start with that, and many - probably most -
never move off it. Look at the myriad "vegan" web sites that extol
"veganism" as a means of living a "cruelty-free" or "death-free"
lifestyle. Those people, by necessary implication, believe in the
logical fallacy.

Here's a claim at the terrorist Animal Liberation Front's web site:

You don't have to do it over night. You can take small steps by
eliminating one cruel product at a time until you arrive at your
ultimate goal of a cruelty-free diet.

http://www.animalliberation.org.au/vego.php

By the way, there is a poster in this very newsgroup who is a terrorist
and card-carrying supporter of the terrorist organization ALF.

Here's another instance:

Whether you're hosting a vegan at your holiday table, or looking for
holiday recipes as a vegan yourself, it can be a daunting task to
find recipes that accommodate the cruelty-free diet

http://www.ehow.com/way_5498650_vega...y-recipes.html

Here's a PETA page hawking supposedly "cruelty-free" products:
http://tinyurl.com/ycvwtzf. The *only* reason they consider these
products "cruelty-free" is because they don't contain animal parts - in
other words, they are under the influence of the logical fallacy in
claiming the products to be "cruelty-free". They don't take into
consideration any animals that are killed in the course of obtaining the
ingredients of the products, manufacturing the products, or distributing
them.

Yes, indeed: *all* "vegans" start by believing the logical fallacy, and
many if not most of them never leave it. Those who do abandon it merely
move to another, equally invalid moral pose. In short, "veganism" has
nothing whatever to do with /real/ ethics. It's all about the pose.