Derek:

I think that no matter what way you put it, this is a losing argument,
the details will never get through his tinfoil hat and spark that
moment of comprehension...

Steve:

Out of curiosity - where are your facts cited from regarding pollution
rates of cars vs. ships? Can you please point me to the scientific
studies showing the reduction in pollution rates of hybrid cars, taking
into account the carbon costs of the production of these vehicles? You
insult others for not backing themselves up, so please do so yourself.

On 2008-08-13 07:24:16 -0400, Derek > said:

> While intrepidly exploring the bowels of USENET on Tuesday, August 12,
> 2008, rolled initiative and posted the following:
>
>> On Aug 12, 8:34*pm, Derek > wrote:
>>
>>>> Wrong again squirt. You've obviously never did the experiment or lie
>>>> because the balloon in the gaseous state is less than 5% water.
>>>
>>> You're confusing "quantity" with "volume."
>>
>> No, I meant quantity. After the balloon is emptied of water, less than
>> 5% of the original water is left over and the balloon is full of ?
>> Answer the ?
>
> That is a COMPLETELY different proposition than the one you wrote
> previously. "[T]he balloon in the gaseous state is less than 5% water"
> is not the same as "less than 5% of the original water is left over."
> Please stick to a point rather than "correcting" me by changing the
> issue.
>
> In answer to your question, the balloon on the flask (we didn't use a
> kettle) is not a closed system. We recovered less water than we boiled
> because much of it pushed its way through the porous rubber of the
> balloon. (Ever noticed that helium balloon shrink? It's because they
> leak, not because helium gets more dense.)
>
> The balloon eventually inverted under air pressure and was "sucked"
> into the flask because there was less water and air in the system
> after the experiment.
>
> All of this is tangential to the point I'm challenging. Boiling water
> does not cause it to "shed oxygen." Both oxygen and hydrogen are
> highly reactive and quickly bond back together. That's why elecrolysis
> requires two separate capturing vessels (as well as a catalyst).
>
> Certainly, boiling water "frees" dissolved gasses that were in the
> water. But their volume is significantly less than the volume of the
> water in which they were previously dissolved.
>
>>> I'm just getting tired.
>>
>> Ok honest confession, but are you always this tired? Somebody get him
>> a doctor.
>> Not enough clean air is my first prognosis.
>
> Actually, it was just late.


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Cheers

Mike