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> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Knock off the bullshit. B12 is available in grasses that are
> grown
> in
> > > > > > > > a manured environment. That means WHEAT you idiot. It was
> proven
> to
> > > > > > > > the government of Canada by a researcher. Also B12 was
> originally
> > > > > > > > discovered in Canada in wheat, which just happens to be a
> grass.
> > > > > > > ==========================
> > > > > > re> And you have provided your evedence where? When? that's
> right,
> never!
> > > > > > re> What a fool.
> > > > >
> > > > > I notice you had to snip, wihout annotation, the references I gave
> to
> > > > > support my contention that plants are not reliable sources of B12.
> Why
> did
> > > > > you do that, lying-larry? Dishonesty, or just plain stupidity?
> Here,
> I'll
> > > > > add it back for you, killer:
> > > > >
> > > > > ========================
> > > > > here's a veg site that will tell you different fool.
> > > > > http://www.ivu.org/congress/2002/texts/b12.html
> > > > >
> > > > > "...Vegan sources of B12
> > > > > Claimed sources include:
> > > > >
> > > > > a.. Tempeh (no effect)
> > > > > b.. Nori (adverse effect if dried; neutral effect if raw)
> > > > > c.. Spirulina (probable adverse effect)
> > > > > d.. Klamath lake algae (no demonstrated or likely effect)
> > > > > e.. Barley or wheat grass (no demonstrated or likely effect)
> > > > > f.. Gut bacteria (no effect)
> > > > > g.. Organic vegetables (no or minimal effect)
> > > > > h.. Mushrooms (no or minimal effect)
> > > > > i.. Dirt (little effect)
> > > > > j.. Warm washed carrots (not a chance)
> > > > > k.. Raw vs cooked food (no effect)
> > > > > Practical sources include;
> > > > >
> > > > > a.. Fortified foods
> > > > > b.. Supplements ..."
> > > > > as an added bonus on this site there is this little tidbit of info:
> > > > > "...Overall outcome: lacto-vegetarians, fish-eaters and occasional
> > > > > meat-eaters can expect to live about two years longer than vegans.
> ..."
> > > > >
> > > > > And remember, this was from a veg site, killer. What a hoot!!!
> > > > > =======================
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Evedence? [sic] Maybe you should learn how to spell before
> making
> > > > > > idiotic claims in public?? Who, indeed, is the fool?
> > > > > ================
> > > > > I see, as usual, you have nothing, so you have to resort to on-line
> spell
> > > > > checker status...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Here is evidence of B-12 IN plant material.
> > > > > ==============
> > > > > Again, not in quantities that will make a difference in your diet.
> > > > >
> > > > > > =====
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mozafar, A.
> > > > > > Enrichment of some B-vitamins in plants with application of
> organic
> > > > > > fertilizers.
> > > > > > Plant and Soil 167:305-311, 1994.
> > > > > > Organic food suppliers often claim that organic foods grown on
> soils
> with
> > > > > > natural fertilizers have a better nutritional value than foods
> grown
> with
> > > > > > inorganic fertilizers. Although past studies, such as those
> published
> by
> > > > > > Gray and Daniel in 1959 or by Leclerc and colleagues in 1991, have
> shown
> > > > > > that organically grown produce had more vitamins, it was unclear
> if
> the
> > > > > > plants synthesized them or got them from the soil. In order to
> test
> the
> > > > > > origins of vitamins in plants, this researcher selected vitamin
> B12
> for
> > > > > > study. This was because plants cannot manufacture it but
> > > microorganisms
> > > can.
> > > > > > In addition, large amounts of B12 are found in animal manure, a
> commonly
> > > > > > used organic fertilizer. This study looked at whether plants,
> specifically
> > > > > > soybeans, barley, and spinach, grown on soils amended with pure
> B12 or
> B12
> > > > > > in manure would have a higher B12 content than plants grown with
> inorganic
> > > > > > fertilizers. All plants contained a minimal amount of B12 in the
> > > > > > inorganically fertilized soil. Barley showed a threefold increase
> of
> > > B12
> > > in
> > > > > > the harvested grain in both the pure B12 treatment (10.8 ng/g dry
> weight)
> > > > > > and the manure treatment (9.1 ng/g dry weight). In spinach leaves,
> B12
> > > > > > increased twofold in the manure treatment (17.8 ng/g dry weight)
> and
> 34-fold
> > > > > > in the pure B12 treatment (235 ng/g dry weight). Soybeans had a
> > > similar,
> > > but
> > > > > > not as dramatic trend. In addition, soil samples in fields
> receiving
> manure
> > > > > > over several years contained more B12 than those only receiving
> inorganic
> > > > > > fertilizers. These results show that B12 levels can be increased
> in
> > > > > > organically grown food through the use of manure fertilizers. This
> is
> good
> > > > > > news for vegetarians, who often have trouble getting enough B12 in
> their
> > > > > > diets. It is also good news for consumers who buy organic food
> because
> of
> > > > > > its better nutritional value. While this preliminary trial does
> seem
> to
> > > > > > indicate that vitamins can be absorbed from the soil, more studies
> > > should
> > > be
> > > > > > done with other vitamins to confirm these observations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =====
> > > > > LOL What a hoot. Again, there is no reliable source of b12 from
> plants.
> > > > > Now, if you want to eat several pounds of spinach a day, every day,
> be
> my
> > > > > quest. Most people, even the loons like you prefer more
> variety.(hence
> the
> > > > > vast import food production you pay for)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, the whole veg*n/B-12 issue is caused by TOXIC CHEMICAL
> AGRICULTURE
> > > > > > which kills the microorganisms in the soil that produce the B-12
> that
> > > > > > normally would be absorbed into the plants. The simple and
> inexpensive
> > > > > > solution would be supplements, and given the horrifically-poor
> quality
> of
> > > > > > commercial produce a vigorous supplementation program should be
> seriously
> > > > > > considered by anyone who eats.]
> > > > > ==================
> > > > > And again, the supplements are not 'vegan' by definition. Animals
> die
> to
> > > > > manufacture, package, and transport those little pills to your
> plate,
> > > > > killer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's another little gem for you, lying-larry...
> > > > > "...more than 23 cups of organically grown spinach would have to be
> eaten
> > > > > every day in order to meet the adult RDA for vitamin B12..."
> > > > > http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, this is a veg site, stupid. Not something like your money
> scam
> > > > > parade of idiocy...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *ANYBODY* including the animal food industry can put up a "veg" site
> stupid pEtter.
> > > >
> > > ========================
> > > You ignorant fool. Why not read the site first, before diplaying your
> > > stupidity to the world. ooops, too late....
> >
> >
> >
> > I suppose you are going to pretend that the only source of Vitamin D
> > is through fortified "food"?
> =========
> I notice you are continuing your dodge. Good thing, you've already proven
> how incrdibly stupid you are.
> btw, in case your comprehension has diminished to that low a level, you
> should notice that my discussion has been strickly about b12.
> But then, strawmen are all you have left, aren't they killer.
>
> Now, as to V-d, no, there are other sourcses besides fortified foods.,
> cheese, butter, cream, fish, oysters eggs, liver and sun.
> ummmm, seems to me only 'fortified' foods would be the thing for vegans, eh
> fool?





try radishes and lettuce as well.

I'll look up more as I get time, but it is clear you wish to promote
animal products as being the *only* source for certain nutrients.







> http://www.nutristrategy.com/nutrition/vitamind.htm
> http://health.allrefer.com/health/vi...d-sources.html
>
>
> "...Vegan and vegetarian sources of vitamin D include fortified soymilk,
> fortified rice milk, and some fortified breakfast cereals..."
> http://vegweb.com/articles/monique-1013269869.shtml
>
>
> looks like your stupidity shines through again, killer....
> >
> >
> > .