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> > > > > > > Knock off the bullshit. B12 is available in grasses that are
grown
> > in
> > > > > > > a manured environment. That means WHEAT you idiot. It was
proven
> > to
> > > > > > > the government of Canada by a researcher. Also B12 was
originally
> > > > > > > discovered in Canada in wheat, which just happens to be a
grass.
> > > > > > ==========================
> > > > > re> And you have provided your evedence where? When? that's
right,
> > never!
> > > > > re> What a fool.
> > > >
> > > > I notice you had to snip, wihout annotation, the references I gave
to
> > > > support my contention that plants are not reliable sources of B12.
Why
> > did
> > > > you do that, lying-larry? Dishonesty, or just plain stupidity?
Here,
> > I'll
> > > > add it back for you, killer:
> > > >
> > > > ========================
> > > > here's a veg site that will tell you different fool.
> > > > http://www.ivu.org/congress/2002/texts/b12.html
> > > >
> > > > "...Vegan sources of B12
> > > > Claimed sources include:
> > > >
> > > > a.. Tempeh (no effect)
> > > > b.. Nori (adverse effect if dried; neutral effect if raw)
> > > > c.. Spirulina (probable adverse effect)
> > > > d.. Klamath lake algae (no demonstrated or likely effect)
> > > > e.. Barley or wheat grass (no demonstrated or likely effect)
> > > > f.. Gut bacteria (no effect)
> > > > g.. Organic vegetables (no or minimal effect)
> > > > h.. Mushrooms (no or minimal effect)
> > > > i.. Dirt (little effect)
> > > > j.. Warm washed carrots (not a chance)
> > > > k.. Raw vs cooked food (no effect)
> > > > Practical sources include;
> > > >
> > > > a.. Fortified foods
> > > > b.. Supplements ..."
> > > > as an added bonus on this site there is this little tidbit of info:
> > > > "...Overall outcome: lacto-vegetarians, fish-eaters and occasional
> > > > meat-eaters can expect to live about two years longer than vegans.
...."
> > > >
> > > > And remember, this was from a veg site, killer. What a hoot!!!
> > > > =======================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Evedence? [sic] Maybe you should learn how to spell before
making
> > > > > idiotic claims in public?? Who, indeed, is the fool?
> > > > ================
> > > > I see, as usual, you have nothing, so you have to resort to on-line
> > spell
> > > > checker status...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Here is evidence of B-12 IN plant material.
> > > > ==============
> > > > Again, not in quantities that will make a difference in your diet.
> > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > >
> > > > > Mozafar, A.
> > > > > Enrichment of some B-vitamins in plants with application of
organic
> > > > > fertilizers.
> > > > > Plant and Soil 167:305-311, 1994.
> > > > > Organic food suppliers often claim that organic foods grown on
soils
> > with
> > > > > natural fertilizers have a better nutritional value than foods
grown
> > with
> > > > > inorganic fertilizers. Although past studies, such as those
published
> > by
> > > > > Gray and Daniel in 1959 or by Leclerc and colleagues in 1991, have
> > shown
> > > > > that organically grown produce had more vitamins, it was unclear
if
> > the
> > > > > plants synthesized them or got them from the soil. In order to
test
> > the
> > > > > origins of vitamins in plants, this researcher selected vitamin
B12
> > for
> > > > > study. This was because plants cannot manufacture it but
> > microorganisms
> > can.
> > > > > In addition, large amounts of B12 are found in animal manure, a
> > commonly
> > > > > used organic fertilizer. This study looked at whether plants,
> > specifically
> > > > > soybeans, barley, and spinach, grown on soils amended with pure
B12 or
> > B12
> > > > > in manure would have a higher B12 content than plants grown with
> > inorganic
> > > > > fertilizers. All plants contained a minimal amount of B12 in the
> > > > > inorganically fertilized soil. Barley showed a threefold increase
of
> > B12
> > in
> > > > > the harvested grain in both the pure B12 treatment (10.8 ng/g dry
> > weight)
> > > > > and the manure treatment (9.1 ng/g dry weight). In spinach leaves,
B12
> > > > > increased twofold in the manure treatment (17.8 ng/g dry weight)
and
> > 34-fold
> > > > > in the pure B12 treatment (235 ng/g dry weight). Soybeans had a
> > similar,
> > but
> > > > > not as dramatic trend. In addition, soil samples in fields
receiving
> > manure
> > > > > over several years contained more B12 than those only receiving
> > inorganic
> > > > > fertilizers. These results show that B12 levels can be increased
in
> > > > > organically grown food through the use of manure fertilizers. This
is
> > good
> > > > > news for vegetarians, who often have trouble getting enough B12 in
> > their
> > > > > diets. It is also good news for consumers who buy organic food
because
> > of
> > > > > its better nutritional value. While this preliminary trial does
seem
> > to
> > > > > indicate that vitamins can be absorbed from the soil, more studies
> > should
> > be
> > > > > done with other vitamins to confirm these observations.
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > LOL What a hoot. Again, there is no reliable source of b12 from
> > plants.
> > > > Now, if you want to eat several pounds of spinach a day, every day,
be
> > my
> > > > quest. Most people, even the loons like you prefer more
variety.(hence
> > the
> > > > vast import food production you pay for)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So, the whole veg*n/B-12 issue is caused by TOXIC CHEMICAL
> > AGRICULTURE
> > > > > which kills the microorganisms in the soil that produce the B-12
that
> > > > > normally would be absorbed into the plants. The simple and
> > inexpensive
> > > > > solution would be supplements, and given the horrifically-poor
quality
> > of
> > > > > commercial produce a vigorous supplementation program should be
> > seriously
> > > > > considered by anyone who eats.]
> > > > ==================
> > > > And again, the supplements are not 'vegan' by definition. Animals
die
> > to
> > > > manufacture, package, and transport those little pills to your
plate,
> > > > killer.
> > > >
> > > > Here's another little gem for you, lying-larry...
> > > > "...more than 23 cups of organically grown spinach would have to be
> > eaten
> > > > every day in order to meet the adult RDA for vitamin B12..."
> > > > http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm
> > > >
> > > > Again, this is a veg site, stupid. Not something like your money
scam
> > > > parade of idiocy...
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *ANYBODY* including the animal food industry can put up a "veg" site
> > stupid pEtter.
> > >
> > ========================
> > You ignorant fool. Why not read the site first, before diplaying your
> > stupidity to the world. ooops, too late....
>
>
>
> I suppose you are going to pretend that the only source of Vitamin D
> is through fortified "food"?
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I notice you are continuing your dodge. Good thing, you've already proven
how incrdibly stupid you are.
btw, in case your comprehension has diminished to that low a level, you
should notice that my discussion has been strickly about b12.
But then, strawmen are all you have left, aren't they killer.
Now, as to V-d, no, there are other sourcses besides fortified foods.,
cheese, butter, cream, fish, oysters eggs, liver and sun.
ummmm, seems to me only 'fortified' foods would be the thing for vegans, eh
fool?
http://www.nutristrategy.com/nutrition/vitamind.htm
http://health.allrefer.com/health/vi...d-sources.html
"...Vegan and vegetarian sources of vitamin D include fortified soymilk,
fortified rice milk, and some fortified breakfast cereals..."
http://vegweb.com/articles/monique-1013269869.shtml
looks like your stupidity shines through again, killer....
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